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ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

...or at least, I think it is. Maybe it's that my grading abilities have changed, or I've gotten accustomed to the new grading realities.

Don't have a photo of the coin to post cause the coin is not back home yet. In 1983, I had a 1982 No P mintmark dime graded by another grading service I won't name (but their initials are ANACS, back when the ANA owned it). It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then. At that time with my limited grading skills, I totally agreed with the grade.

I wanted this dime to be slabbed so I re-sent this back to ANACS 35 years later. Before I sent it, I looked at it closely in magnification and thought to myself, geez, I've seen worse-looking coins today grade MS-64 or even MS-65. So y'day, they e-mailed me, the coin was now graded by them as MS-66! It ticked up 3 numbers in 35 years.

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  • coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭✭

    That is a good story that you are able to confirm. If there was a way to see the history on other MS66 coins, or any other high grade for that matter, it would be interesting to see how many had similar stories to yours. I'm guessing there would be a lot.

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you crack it out before resubmitting or send it in the original holder?

    I'm addicted to exonumia ... it is numismatic crack!

    ANA LM

    USAF Retired — 34 years of active military service! 🇺🇸
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,100 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice report

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and that is the way that grading has gone.

    I know a number of former AU-58's that have been graded MS.

    And, no, I have seen them and no pictures.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @EXOJUNKIE said:
    Did you crack it out before resubmitting or send it in the original holder?

    The OP would not need to:

    “It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then.”

    Most of these were sent back in flips (and some would later put the coins into a Capital Plastic Holder).

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @EXOJUNKIE said:
    Did you crack it out before resubmitting or send it in the original holder?

    The OP would not need to:

    “It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then.”

    Most of these were sent back in flips (and some would later put the coins into a Capital Plastic Holder).

    Thanks. I missed the part about it being an old ANACS Photo Cert. :(

    I'm addicted to exonumia ... it is numismatic crack!

    ANA LM

    USAF Retired — 34 years of active military service! 🇺🇸
  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @EXOJUNKIE said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @EXOJUNKIE said:
    Did you crack it out before resubmitting or send it in the original holder?

    The OP would not need to:

    “It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then.”

    Most of these were sent back in flips (and some would later put the coins into a Capital Plastic Holder).

    Thanks. I missed the part about it being an old ANACS Photo Cert. :(

    No worries! I’ve missed bigger details before. :)

  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @EXOJUNKIE said:
    Did you crack it out before resubmitting or send it in the original holder?

    The OP would not need to:

    “It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then.”

    Most of these were sent back in flips (and some would later put the coins into a Capital Plastic Holder).

    What you said. Thanks.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ernie11 said:
    In 1983, I had a 1982 No P mintmark dime graded by ANACS, back when the ANA owned it

    The original negatives are in the ANA library. If you have the cert# you might be able to order a print.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @ernie11 said:
    In 1983, I had a 1982 No P mintmark dime graded by ANACS, back when the ANA owned it

    The original negatives are in the ANA library. If you have the cert# you might be able to order a print.

    They have the negatives, but they have no capability to make prints from them.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ernie11 said:
    ...or at least, I think it is. Maybe it's that my grading abilities have changed, or I've gotten accustomed to the new grading realities.

    Don't have a photo of the coin to post cause the coin is not back home yet. In 1983, I had a 1982 No P mintmark dime graded by another grading service I won't name (but their initials are ANACS, back when the ANA owned it). It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then. At that time with my limited grading skills, I totally agreed with the grade.

    I wanted this dime to be slabbed so I re-sent this back to ANACS 35 years later. Before I sent it, I looked at it closely in magnification and thought to myself, geez, I've seen worse-looking coins today grade MS-64 or even MS-65. So y'day, they e-mailed me, the coin was now graded by them as MS-66! It ticked up 3 numbers in 35 years.

    But is the coin itself any better than 35 years ago? Or is it just that the grading standards are coughing up blood?

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @ernie11 said:
    ...or at least, I think it is. Maybe it's that my grading abilities have changed, or I've gotten accustomed to the new grading realities.

    Don't have a photo of the coin to post cause the coin is not back home yet. In 1983, I had a 1982 No P mintmark dime graded by another grading service I won't name (but their initials are ANACS, back when the ANA owned it). It graded MS-63 strong strike and came accompanied by a photo, since they didn't encapsulate back then. At that time with my limited grading skills, I totally agreed with the grade.

    I wanted this dime to be slabbed so I re-sent this back to ANACS 35 years later. Before I sent it, I looked at it closely in magnification and thought to myself, geez, I've seen worse-looking coins today grade MS-64 or even MS-65. So y'day, they e-mailed me, the coin was now graded by them as MS-66! It ticked up 3 numbers in 35 years.

    But is the coin itself any better than 35 years ago? Or is it just that the grading standards are coughing up blood?

    Call me naïve, but I've never seen any of my coins get better by just lying around for 35 years. In answer to the folks about ANACS having the negatives, somewhere around here I have the original photo, I'll try to find it and scan it and post.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an interesting story...It can certainly be an example of gradeflation, or, since the grading 'industry' was in it's infancy then (at least IMO), part of it could be grading maturity. I am not making any excuses, just assessing from afar...a three grade jump is really significant. Cheers, RickO

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