marches to a different drummer playing a different tune.
Does the "Curly Shuffle" while everybody else is doing "Putting On The Ritz!"
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@RINATIONALS said:
Insider, a 55dd like Capt. Henway described with an ugly planchet problem I would agree would sell for less....however, I have little interest in errors but I'd be in on a 55 dd as far off as the coin in this thread at 4k, roughly triple the normal price, because I can easily think of 3 dealers I could sell it to instantly for a thousand dollar profit. Unfortunately the pictured coin isn't real, but if you ever run into a real one please call me first!!!
Profit is the name of the game. I note how fast you would sell it so you are a "flipper." Obviously, a flipper or an error collector would love a "White Elephant."
Lol for someone 'who's been around forever' you'd think you'd have come to the realization that every dealer in business is a flipper, it's just a timing question. Please note I'd didn't say I would flip it immediately, just that I could instantly think of 3 people who'd buy it at 5k. A coin like that I'd have at least 6 months of fun with taking to the area clubs and using as a draw to the case at shows before 'flipping' it off. I know it's not fashionable today, but its OK to admit that this particular coin isn't the white elephant you though it was. The one you were thinking of was the 09s-vdb with the lamination I bought 30 years ago for $180 that I was sure would be an easy sale at 500 because of the error neatness factor. It just took a little over a year to bail out with only a $5 loss!
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The coin was submitted to my website by a consumer asking if I would be interested in it. I assure you , I assume anything like this being offered to me, must be a fake until I can prove otherwise. Of course I noticed the blurry pictures, the mismatched backrounds etc, but figure what the heck, might as well post as the boards have been quite boring lately...if nothing else it had the unintended consequence of spawning a few other interesting offshoots about valuation, etc. When I googled the the pertinent words, the facebook posts and the ebay listing did not come up...really not too much did....
I asked the owner to send me newer better pics, which I was told would be forthcoming, along with details about where the coin came from , etc.... stay tuned...but doubt anyone will be white elephant hunting...
@FadeToBlack said:
Error on an error? No. Error on a variety. Y'all are killing me here.
The US Mint, as the issuer, considered the DDO an error that needed to be fixed, not a variety.
Should the collector's definition of variety require intention by the issuer?
Semantics, but I think the die was an error, but the coins are a die variety.
The 1955 DDO is interesting in that the Mint removed some before circulation but decided to release the rest because they were too difficult to separate from normal cents. So the Mint considered them an error, knew about them, and released them anyway.
@Catbert said:
Insider is headstrong. If it were real, the coin would bring a premium.
Nope, apparently, I'm just wrong. Read my posts. I'd prefer the error also BUT I thought that a blazing red off-center would be worth a lot less than a blazing red normal 55 DDO.
@ErrorsOnCoins said:
We need a better photo of the obverse.
Fred or Tom would be better on a coin like this as the only way to fake it (not that this is a fake) is with counterfeit dies.
I knew you were big on errors and I've seen Fred answer anomalies. I forgot about @CaptHenway and @Insider2, Now that I think about it, isn't it great to have all these knowledgeable folks in one spot?
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@ErrorsOnCoins said:
We need a better photo of the obverse.
Fred or Tom would be better on a coin like this as the only way to fake it (not that this is a fake) is with counterfeit dies.
I knew you were big on errors and I've seen Fred answer anomalies. I forgot about @CaptHenway and @Insider2, Now that I think about it, isn't it great to have all these knowledgeable folks in one spot?
How true. We can watch leaders in the field discuss or even duke it out. A rare opportunity and luxury.
Fake fake fake.
An authentic 1955 DDO die 1 off center would easily go for 3-10x value of "normal" coin, if not much more.
I have never seen one......doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere, but in 40 years of doing coins I have not heard of any.
Just a thought....can a "genesis coin" exist that inspired the copies? BTW, for what its worth, I would definately pay multiples more for this coin , than the common DDO, regardless of condition....just me
@Verno said:
I asked the owner to send me newer better pics, which I was told would be forthcoming, along with details about where the coin came from , etc.... stay tuned...but doubt anyone will be white elephant hunting...
ask them what they think it is worth, ask them what they would be willing to pay for a similar item, ask then what they would be willing to pay for 10 similar items ...
I agree it’s an obvious counterfeit – and would be worth a lot more if it was genuine over the normal 55 double I agree it’s an obvious counterfeit – and would be worth a lot more if it was genuine over the normal 55 double die.
At Long Beach I saw one 1943D into 1943 P’s — obviously counterfeit copper cents– They seem to be of Chinese origin as far as general appearance – crude but enough to fool the novice.
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I'd hate to fuel the counterfeiters' business, but if I were a dealer I might buy a few of these types of forgeries for cheap money off of Alibaba so that when someone brought one in I could whip out my own stash. Short of that, I think some people won't accept that these are fake.
Many, many years ago I saw a genuine 1955 DDO with a major planchet problem. Memory says it was a ragged clip on the upper right obverse, but it might have been just a normal clip.
TD
I realize I'm super late to this thread but if it was at your time at ANACS, I may know the coin. Ira Stein had a '55 DDO in an old white ANACS holder with a bold tapered planchet, most of the WE TRUST was illegible and the weakness extended down to the top of the date. It was graded AU58 and it is one of my great regrets in this hobby that I could not find a way to buy it.
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Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
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Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
It's like I'm looking at two different coins based on the images, shot by differents individuals too. A raw key DDO that's off center, hmmmm.......... Send it off to PCGS and report the results.
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Many, many years ago I saw a genuine 1955 DDO with a major planchet problem. Memory says it was a ragged clip on the upper right obverse, but it might have been just a normal clip.
TD
I realize I'm super late to this thread but if it was at your time at ANACS, I may know the coin. Ira Stein had a '55 DDO in an old white ANACS holder with a bold tapered planchet, most of the WE TRUST was illegible and the weakness extended down to the top of the date. It was graded AU58 and it is one of my great regrets in this hobby that I could not find a way to buy it.
Sean Reynolds
ANACS did not slab until about four years after I left, but it could be the same piece sent back in to be entombed in plastic. However, my faint recollection of it is more ragged than tapered.
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@Regulated said:
Without looking at the diagnostics, the upset rim isn't wide enough to be real.
That’s what I said!
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Esta moneda es un montón de basura.
Insert witicism here. [ xxx ]
Does the "Curly Shuffle" while everybody else is doing "Putting On The Ritz!"
Lol for someone 'who's been around forever' you'd think you'd have come to the realization that every dealer in business is a flipper, it's just a timing question. Please note I'd didn't say I would flip it immediately, just that I could instantly think of 3 people who'd buy it at 5k. A coin like that I'd have at least 6 months of fun with taking to the area clubs and using as a draw to the case at shows before 'flipping' it off. I know it's not fashionable today, but its OK to admit that this particular coin isn't the white elephant you though it was. The one you were thinking of was the 09s-vdb with the lamination I bought 30 years ago for $180 that I was sure would be an easy sale at 500 because of the error neatness factor. It just took a little over a year to bail out with only a $5 loss!
I like white elephants and would pay 10K for this one if real. (It’s not.) Offer me your white elephants!
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Wow, interesting, amazing if it's real !!!
There are a few floating around the Facebook coin groups too. Beware....
As well as several others
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Wow, quite a price difference. $2.31 from China or $2,499 from Maryland.
The US Mint, as the issuer, considered the DDO an error that needed to be fixed, not a variety.
Should the collector's definition of variety require intention by the issuer?
Andy is in the ballpark
I love White Elephants too
If this were genuine ( it is NOT)
I would pay 10k +
Mike Byers
The coin was submitted to my website by a consumer asking if I would be interested in it. I assure you , I assume anything like this being offered to me, must be a fake until I can prove otherwise. Of course I noticed the blurry pictures, the mismatched backrounds etc, but figure what the heck, might as well post as the boards have been quite boring lately...if nothing else it had the unintended consequence of spawning a few other interesting offshoots about valuation, etc. When I googled the the pertinent words, the facebook posts and the ebay listing did not come up...really not too much did....
I asked the owner to send me newer better pics, which I was told would be forthcoming, along with details about where the coin came from , etc.... stay tuned...but doubt anyone will be white elephant hunting...
I see the off-center strike, but what is the other error? Doubled dies are not errors.
Semantics, but I think the die was an error, but the coins are a die variety.
The 1955 DDO is interesting in that the Mint removed some before circulation but decided to release the rest because they were too difficult to separate from normal cents. So the Mint considered them an error, knew about them, and released them anyway.
Oh well it was worth a look.
Hoard the keys.
That can’t end well....but was definitely worth the look...
Insider is headstrong. If it were real, the coin would bring a premium.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Nope, apparently, I'm just wrong. Read my posts. I'd prefer the error also BUT I thought that a blazing red off-center would be worth a lot less than a blazing red normal 55 DDO.
Damned Chinese counterfeits! Its like a fake winning lottery ticket. YAYYYYY ohhhhh sh*t
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I knew you were big on errors and I've seen Fred answer anomalies. I forgot about @CaptHenway and @Insider2, Now that I think about it, isn't it great to have all these knowledgeable folks in one spot?
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Ano, tato mince je odpadky
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Local sales tax.....
How true. We can watch leaders in the field discuss or even duke it out. A rare opportunity and luxury.
It is 100% counterfeit.
I found it for $2.26, ah ha!
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lincoln-One-Cent-1955-Double-Die-Error-with-An-Off-Center-Error-Rare-Copy-Coins/32873332191.html?
Now that I look closer the rotation of the word liberty doesn't match.
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From the news:
China retorts with plans to impose tariffs of similar size and intensity is this it?
Hoard the keys.
Fake fake fake.
An authentic 1955 DDO die 1 off center would easily go for 3-10x value of "normal" coin, if not much more.
I have never seen one......doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere, but in 40 years of doing coins I have not heard of any.
Just a thought....can a "genesis coin" exist that inspired the copies? BTW, for what its worth, I would definately pay multiples more for this coin , than the common DDO, regardless of condition....just me
ask them what they think it is worth, ask them what they would be willing to pay for a similar item, ask then what they would be willing to pay for 10 similar items ...
I agree it’s an obvious counterfeit – and would be worth a lot more if it was genuine over the normal 55 double I agree it’s an obvious counterfeit – and would be worth a lot more if it was genuine over the normal 55 double die.
At Long Beach I saw one 1943D into 1943 P’s — obviously counterfeit copper cents– They seem to be of Chinese origin as far as general appearance – crude but enough to fool the novice.
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
I'd hate to fuel the counterfeiters' business, but if I were a dealer I might buy a few of these types of forgeries for cheap money off of Alibaba so that when someone brought one in I could whip out my own stash. Short of that, I think some people won't accept that these are fake.
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I realize I'm super late to this thread but if it was at your time at ANACS, I may know the coin. Ira Stein had a '55 DDO in an old white ANACS holder with a bold tapered planchet, most of the WE TRUST was illegible and the weakness extended down to the top of the date. It was graded AU58 and it is one of my great regrets in this hobby that I could not find a way to buy it.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
They have a 1951-D that was struck with the same reverse die as the coin in the OP, note the weakness of the word ONE:
link to eBay
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
It's like I'm looking at two different coins based on the images, shot by differents individuals too. A raw key DDO that's off center, hmmmm.......... Send it off to PCGS and report the results.
No need to send it off.
Counterfeit.
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ANACS did not slab until about four years after I left, but it could be the same piece sent back in to be entombed in plastic. However, my faint recollection of it is more ragged than tapered.
The fat round Beard, the smirk mouth, the Hercule Poirot moustache. how could it be real?
Because it was on Ebay??
Everyone knows if it's on the Interwebs it has to be true. It's the law!
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_Well, in that case Never mind. _
Without looking at the diagnostics, the upset rim isn't wide enough to be real.
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
That’s what I said!
Consider this a very emphatic "AGREE" button?
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
Got new pictures, gave him the news....asked where he got it....yada yada ....
But that said....I love this error coin!
Interesting thread. It would be cool if genuine.
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Do you mean...this thread is not genuine? That's awful.....how do I sew on a button without genuine threads? Tough hobby.
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