For you weaponry enthusiasts out there...
SkyMan
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There are a lot of people on these boards who collect not only coins, but weaponry too. Here's a little something for you if you've got the scratch. Even if you don't have the scratch, if you live near the auction, you may be able to handle the weapon. Here's the link, and then to keep it coin related, a Mercury from the year it was produced...
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Cool rifle.
That's a very pretty gun!
HAPPY COLLECTING
Thanks for the link. Nice to know This particular rifle even exists. Just look at that tiger striping on the wood there. Some of the best wood grain
pattern I’ve seen and I collect these as a primary interest for my military surplus wing of the collection.
If you’ve never got to shoot one of these, don’t pass on the chance if it ever comes up, it’s living history.
Fine weapon. I really like the 30-06 cartridge.
Great item and write-up. Hard to imagine giving away the patent.
Thanks for the link.
Lousy photo, but let's not forget the lady's. Colt Mustang Pocketlite Lady Elite.
I picked one up at a gun show this past winter and was shocked by the weight and heft. Great gun. Thanks for posting.
My favorite from our very own Neil Kamimura
Note the leftover scale-like pattern from source metal which are from recycled material
Love the M1 Garand. Thanks for sharing.
I saw that one and it will likely bring into the 6 figures. There's an original gas trap M1 also for sale... that won't be too far behind. I'll see if I can find the link... I think it was on Gunbroker...
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I can't be the only one who thought there would be a Fasces in this thread, yes?
With me you got to come up close & personal to have it work as intended
Thanks so much for the awesome post
What a great read.
I never knew that he donated the patent rights.
It's ironic that this - the only Garand of this amazing, patriotic, humble man who passed on a fortune - will be sold for huge $ to enrich it's owner instead of being donated to a museum.
I hope that whomever buys it will loan it to a museum that will actually display it.
Such a great gun. My fatrher has often told of how much trouble that he got in at boot camp when he got "M1 thumb" from getting his thumb caught in the action as so many who shoot Garands have when releasing the action.
I got my only Garand from the DCM years ago when I shot DCM high-power competition.
Awesome post!
Awesome collection wildidea!!!
Some of my fellow DCM competitors lucked out and got some really rare Garands. They don't call it the DCM lottery for nothing. Mine was of course a Springfield. I enjoy it very much.
They must of ordered them from harbor fright.
Hoard the keys.
That looks like a sweet gun. That Rock Island gets some nice auction material. I've seen them on 'Pawn Stars' and 'American Pickers'.
That article mentions JFK's M1, which was auctioned by Rock Island in 2015. I was a friend of the late Col. John K. Lee. Colonel Lee was the head of the CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program) for many years. He was responsible for getting that M1 picked out and worked over for the up-and-coming young senator from Massachusetts.
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/08/prweb12898782.htm
Really great rifle, and that one sure has history with it. Any Garand is good to own, that one is certainly a collectors treasure. Cheers, RickO
Thanks for the post - good read!
Used to buy them by the 6-pack years ago through the CMP program, then swap out parts trying to build one each by manufacturer. Lot's of fun for the money!
As much as I could, I typically don’t add to the firearm threads but can’t resist this one. Sometime around 98-99 my Dad was going through the motions to get his application for the DCM lottery. At the time he needed to shoot a certain number of rounds through a approved gun clubs M-1 among other steps I don’t remember now, but he took me along to shoot one for the first time. At one point I was able to shoot a spray can cap off a fence post at 100 yards offhand with the open sights. When that cap went flying I decided right there I was going to have one myself. I simply bought one off the shelf at my local gun shop instead of doing what my Dad was going through. It is a Winchester and still the one I shoot regular.
At that time he said you gotta meet my friend Jack, he’s a way into these and is a wealth of info, let’s go show him your new purchase. He loved my Winchester and showed me a lot about taking it apart and whatnot that day and over the years we shared the mutual respect to each other and the rifle. He suggested that day I build a set of the 4 makers.
I set out to get them. One year my grandfathers best friend sold me his Springfield that he won at a shooting jamboree in the 50s that is virtually unfired. He said he shot it once off a podium when he won it to applause and never fired it again. When he was 80 he sold it to me as he said he was afraid when he died it would just end up on the street and not in hands if his choosing.
I had found a Harrington and Richards, HR downtown one year and was almost on top of the set buy the big dollar International Harvester was just not coming around. And I knew enough about them to not want to buy one without seeing it in hand. Sound familiar? Nevertheless, I was happy with the 3.
One day my Dad said he ran into Jack and he said he was looking to get out of his collection. I called him and said I didn’t want to muscle in on his collection but if he was gonna have an auction I wanted to be in the room so to speak. He said he would price them around and and I could do the internet pricing research and we could meet in the middle. He did specify that he wouldn’t sell the IH on its own and if I wanted that I would have to buy the group. He said if I stepped up and did buy them all he would sell me the match rifle for 1000.
When the deal was done, my Dad said “you have a great wife!” Heck yeah, she gets it. I’m quite honored to have my mentors personal collection intact. Over the years, Jack finds more research books and data. I actually have more printed information on M-1s than I do with coins and have studied the matching parts and proper accessories for years. Some of these things are really tough and even scarier than coins and the contacts and relationships involved with finding said parts in ultra important due to the subject matter.
But I wasn’t planning on moving my partial collection either. I envision a time when my kids have families and imagine one of them goes shooting with me and says, I’d sure like to own one of these myself, but they are soooo much money, and if I feel right about it I will just give them one and pass the traditions along the same way the elders in my life have.
So the picture is of the day Jacks collection came home and your looking at a Winchester, Springfield, HR, IH and a Match made at Springfield armory.
Thanks so much for sharing. Just fantastic!
Glad they are all pointing in a safe direction!
Very special, very unique, a little over hyped, IMO. This is coming from an airborne Infantryman, started with M14's and later M16's.
There are scads of items listed as the "X that won WW2". For example, there were no M1's on the B17 or B29 bomber, etc.
German losses, killed, in Russia (Eastern Front) killed were 10X the losses on the Western Front, France, Belgium, etc., and the Brits and French contributed.
While Hollywood dramaticized infantry close combat, artillery, tanks, air power, etc. are the primary casualty makers.
Yes, the infantry fights over and seizes the ground, and the M1 was SUPERB in that role, if we would not have had the industrial base to produce billions of rounds, having a weapon that burned off ammo 8 at a time would have been a liability, not an asset. I saw guys, with 7 M16 mags, out of ammo a few minutes into a fire fight, as they had the selector on rock and roll, and burned up everything they had. Not a good point to be at.
Again, very special, very unique rifle.
Great weapon! Don't need it, though.
I've already shot myself in the foot many times collecting coins.
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Hence "burst" replacing "auto" on M16A2s....
Terrific post. One of the primary reasons I love coins is my passion for history. I never knew the story of Mr. Garand and am grateful for the information. Also, I've really enjoyed reading everyone's responses and learning from you as well.
Great thread, thanks
https://youtu.be/5GdTKm4eBAs
And here is how to avoid the "M1 Thumb"
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Springfield Armory, Springfield Massachusetts my home town. My grandpa, a machinist, worked at the armory for 25 years.
i read in rock islands auction book that that rifle's serial # is 1,000,000. that one was donated to john garand as a thank you. there it is. fwiw
Flashbacks.
Awesome topstuf!!
Thanks. Just a wonderful video. Seems like a great guy, the son of a Greatest Generation Dad.
This is OT for coins but just to prevent folks from breaking their extractor or possibly worse depending on the situation....
W/all due respect to the fantastic guy in the video, one should not just place a round in the chamber and release the bolt. Not with an M1 or any semi or select fire firearm. Always feed from the mag or clip (in the case of the M1 and other firearms w/clips). Doing so can lead to a broken extractor as the extractor slams forward on the rim instead of sliding up over the rim when fed from a mag or clip. This shuts the gun down, can cost a match or ones life.
When shooting DCM for the 10 round stage we would cross two rounds in the clip such that they stayed together and one could rapidly load the last two rounds in the 10 round stages. There are a lot of ways to run the M1. However, don't just put a round in the chamber and slam the action home.
Just FYI...
a neighbors wife worked there as an inspector. i think she was there for years or so.
Nice story.. I enjoyed it.
I never got M-1 thumb but I sure hated toting that heavy monster around Fort Ord.
I've often wondered what price the rifle that killed JFK would go for if it ever reached the marketplace. I realize it never will, but always wondered.
Or maybe better put? The weapon Lee Harvey Oswald used to murder JFK?
Fantastic FA manufacturer
Which reminds me I need to get out and fire the ole 1896 30-40 Krag
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The museum is a must go to if you are in the area.
Used that rifle when i was on the color guard in the army.
One small fact is that it weighs more than the M 16
I think Bin Laden's AK would bring even more. It's hanging up in a plexiglass type case at the entrance to one of the museum areas at the CIA in Langley. I've ofeen wondered what it would bring if auctioned. Of course, it would not be legal to own being a post 1968 and non-amnesty foreign select fire weapon but if it was transferable and auctioned it could set the record.
You think they'll ever find the Remington 700x with the 12 power target scope?
yes i agree. its must and will do. ty
Cased guns are incredibly appealing but rarely offered. These were
taken from book called 'Colt Heritage' and second one fits coin theme.
As my M1 collecting went into gear I had discovered in my reference books that there are several different types of bullets. Day and night tracer, armor piercing, frangible, phosphorus tip, incendiary, to name a few. I was hoping to just have an 8 round clip of as many as I could find. In my search I started finding other bullet collectors and one guy that had several thousand different head stamps for 30-06. He had several unopened boxes of ammo for the 03 Springfield and the M1 Garand, I ended up scoring several unopened boxes and they're pretty cool with different color stripes on the boxes to denote the contents at a glance. I eventually learned that a standard ammo can hold ten of these boxes perfectly. Anyway, he had some grenade launcher propellant rounds in boxes. Some were in paper boxes presumably from WW2 and some in olive cans from later periods. Hmmmm, I started thinking.
My books showed a grenade launcher apparatus that would attach to the rifle and securing on the bayonet lug. There are two or three different ones and different makers. I set out to find one and scoured my resources for a while before putting in my bid with a local dealer who found one for me at a show for 100 bucks or so. I then ran across the fins that attach to a pineapple grenade and would slide over the launcher. The fins on the piece are pretty flimsy so it just sits on my shelf at home. Years later, I ran into a Dummy RPG at a local gun show and added that to my collection for around 60 bucks. With this stuff all lined up I figured some day I would fire it, maybe when I was finally terminal cancer or something, then one day my Dad said he found another dummy RPG at the antique mall for 35 and bought it. Now then, It seems silly now to to wait for anything else, time to start living and fire this bad boy. We lined up a fallow field and took turns firing the launcher. Super cool. The video is of my Dad firing it from his shoulder. You can also fire it with the stock in the ground like a mortar. There are increments on the launcher that denote distance, so the further down you slide the grenade, the further the grenade will fly. There is also a spring tensioner that keeps the grenade from sliding off when pointed down. Anyway, the launching tool is hollow so you would be able to fire the grenade then follow up with ball ammo if you wanted.
LOL MANY years ago, when I severely lacked common sense, I had a demilitarized M14 (would not fire automatic but semi was fine). While visiting Canada, I found a box of M14 illumination flares, that would fire off the M14. Each one had a special "blank" round and the flare. I smuggled them across the border (statue of limitations is long over) and would occasionally fire one, and run like heck.
presentation piece?
No thanks.
A funny memory of driving into Canada customs just across the border and the agent there seeing my pickup truck with Texas plates then asking me "where's your rifle?, how come it is not in your back window?" Aside from that instance, I have usually had more issues getting back into the USA from Canada, even recently.