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EBAY, Reported and Response

BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 8, 2018 11:12AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Top photos, mine.
Bottom photos, sellers.

I sold this DC Token on July 21. This morning while checking new listing for Dan's items I saw my photos were being used by another Ebay seller for the same piece. I contacted the seller and told him to remove them then I reported it to Ebay. I gave Ebay both item numbers and all the information they needed.

Here is their response,
"Hello Thanks for your report.
It appears that the seller in question is using stock photos to advertise the product that they are offering. Please clarify how you’ve determined the reported listing is offering fraudulent product."

What do they need clarified? Look at the obverse spot at 3 o'clock.
That was my first and last time reporting to Ebay. They can't see.

BTW....the seller did the right thing and removed them at my request

Comments

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good thing you caught it and have it resolved :) The image is still fresh in your mind.....do you miss it?

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Good thing you caught it and have it resolved :) The image is still fresh in your mind.....do you miss it?

    No, but only because I have another about to be sent to ANACS without that spot, probably grades 69.
    They are very nice pieces.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will they designate special label for my 'off centre over strike'?

    @Bullsitter said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    Good thing you caught it and have it resolved :) The image is still fresh in your mind.....do you miss it?

    No, but only because I have another about to be sent to ANACS without that spot, probably grades 69.
    They are very nice pieces.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you code your complaint incorrectly? Why did eBay respond: "Please clarify how you’ve determined the reported listing is offering fraudulent product."

    It is an issue with using your photos, and a copyright issue, not "fraudulent product" as far as I can tell. I thought they had a specific category for using others' photos....

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Paradisefound said:
    Will they designate special label for my 'off centre over strike'?

    @Bullsitter said:

    @Paradisefound said:
    Good thing you caught it and have it resolved :) The image is still fresh in your mind.....do you miss it?

    No, but only because I have another about to be sent to ANACS without that spot, probably grades 69.
    They are very nice pieces.

    Not 100% sure, but I think they would, I don't see why they wouldn't.

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Did you code your complaint incorrectly? Why did eBay respond: "Please clarify how you’ve determined the reported listing is offering fraudulent product."

    It is an issue with using your photos, and a copyright issue, not "fraudulent product" as far as I can tell. I thought they had a specific category for using others' photos....

    Don't remember exactly but I didn't use the word fraudulent. That was my first time to make a report. I couldn't find anything about photos though. I do know it was a pain in the rear to deal with...no mas.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm glad it got resolved !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 2:09PM

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jtlee321 said:

    @OPA said:
    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    I gave you a "disagree" because, the photographer owns the images even if they no longer own the subject within those images. The images of the coin are obviously the same, the new seller simply added a new background.

    Good luck with that assessment. If your photo is not a copyright or Trade Mark (TM) photo...it's owned by anyone who wants to make a copy

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭✭✭

    eBay will provide 'stock photos' of things sold in the past -I have not read their TOS lately, but suspect they claim partial ownership of any picture of any item listed on their 'platform'

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In order to be protected the following 3 requirements must be met.

    1) Fixed in a Tangible Medium - met
    2) Original -met?
    3) Creative - met

    I'm not convinced that # 2 has been fully met. But then, I'm a contrarian.

    Augustus Saint-Gaudens would be proud of DC's work ;)

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    In order to be protected the following 3 requirements must be met.

    1) Fixed in a Tangible Medium - met
    2) Original -met?
    3) Creative - met

    I'm not convinced that # 2 has been fully met. But then, I'm a contrarian.

    Augustus Saint-Gaudens would be proud of DC's work ;)

    OP says the pics are his. Either you believe him or you don't.

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2018 10:12PM

    Pardon me @OPA ... I looked up the meaning of what you described as "pound sand" and I can attest to you that my friend is nothing but a good honorable man :)

    @Bullsitter said:
    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

  • ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 1:31AM

    How do you know the coin he was selling wasn't the coin you sold? They do circulate you know. I'm assuming thats your real gripe? If its the photo ownership then lets be realistic here. How much money are you going to lose because he used your picture to sell the coin in it? Professionals sell their services for like $6. how much do you feel you, i assume a non professional photographer, the seller would owe you for the use of the pic? Are people lining up to buy prints and t shirts of your photo?

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Per ebay raw coin policy: "The listing includes photos of the front and back of the coin being sold, and you are authorized to use the photos. Stock photos and images that are dark, out of focus, edited, or misleading aren't allowed."

    Using a pic of another coin and not one of the actual coin is misleading to a buyer. For this reason sellers must insist that other sellers not use their pics as a stock photo.

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:
    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

    You seem to forget, we are not dealing with a coin in this auction, but a privately minted gold bullion round. Bullion, per eBay, is not subject to their return parameters.

    Ok...I relinquish my contention that these are 2 separate pictures, because it appears to be the same coin.
    But what I do not understand, why the fuss over someone using a picture of a sold item, that is no longer in the sellers possession?

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ACop said:
    How do you know the coin he was selling wasn't the coin you sold? They do circulate you know. I'm assuming thats your real gripe? If its the photo ownership then lets be realistic here. How much money are you going to lose because he used your picture to sell the coin in it? Professionals sell their services for like $6. how much do you feel you, i assume a non professional photographer, the seller would owe you for the use of the pic? Are people lining up to buy prints and t shirts of your photo?

    How do I know? Because I contacted the real owner and he still has it. Also the seller now has his own photos up. Two of the pics he took are his, don't know where the 3rd photo came from but it's not the same piece . BTW, it's not about the money, it's about ethics and deceiving honest buyers that want what they paid for. I'm sure you have no clue to what I'm talking about. Here are the sellers current photos.

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 8:57AM

    @OPA said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

    You seem to forget, we are not dealing with a coin in this auction, but a privately minted gold bullion round. Bullion, per eBay, is not subject to their return parameters.

    Ok...I relinquish my contention that these are 2 separate pictures, because it appears to be the same coin.
    But what I do not understand, why the fuss over someone using a picture of a sold item, that is no longer in the sellers possession?

    Do you even know what you're talking about?
    It's not gold it's BRASS, listed where Ebay wants it, under Fantasy Issued Coins. It's not bullion.

    The fuss is over...take your own photos don't use mine. Don't deceive honest buyers with better photos than what you have for sale. If you two boys don't understand that I can't help you.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:

    @OPA said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

    You seem to forget, we are not dealing with a coin in this auction, but a privately minted gold bullion round. Bullion, per eBay, is not subject to their return parameters.

    Ok...I relinquish my contention that these are 2 separate pictures, because it appears to be the same coin.
    But what I do not understand, why the fuss over someone using a picture of a sold item, that is no longer in the sellers possession?

    Do you even know what you're talking about?
    It's not gold it's BRASS, listed where Ebay wants it, under Fantasy Issued Coins. It's not bullion.

    The fuss is over...take your own photos don't use mine. Don't deceive honest buyers with better photos than what you have for sale. If you two boys don't understand that I can't help you.

    My mistake........All this fuss over a BRASS Token? Give me a break....

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Enough is Enough

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • ACopACop Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @OPA said:

    @Bullsitter said:
    The seller knew he was wrong. That's why he removed the photos at my request> @OPA said:

    I'm totally confused...please clarity.
    1..You sold that round on 7/21 & you are no longer in possession of that round?
    2..You claim some one stole your pictures ( I have no idea when that took place)
    3...It is obvious, it's the same round, but different set of pictures.

    How can some one steal your pictures if you no longer own the product....

    If I was the seller, I would have told you to "pound sand." B)

    If he had told me to "pound sand" I would have bought the item. Then I would have returned it as not being as described and gave him negative feedback.
    OPA, he removed the photos at my request. Why DO YOU think he removed them?

    You seem to forget, we are not dealing with a coin in this auction, but a privately minted gold bullion round. Bullion, per eBay, is not subject to their return parameters.

    Ok...I relinquish my contention that these are 2 separate pictures, because it appears to be the same coin.
    But what I do not understand, why the fuss over someone using a picture of a sold item, that is no longer in the sellers possession?

    Do you even know what you're talking about?
    It's not gold it's BRASS, listed where Ebay wants it, under Fantasy Issued Coins. It's not bullion.

    The fuss is over...take your own photos don't use mine. Don't deceive honest buyers with better photos than what you have for sale. If you two boys don't understand that I can't help you.

    My mistake........All this fuss over a low quality PICTURE of a BRASS Token? Give me a break....

    fixed your post

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would spend exactly zero time on this if it were me. Jeepers. There is no loss to the original owner. There is no loss to the buyer. There is no loss to the art world.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    In order to be protected the following 3 requirements must be met.

    1) Fixed in a Tangible Medium - met
    2) Original -met?
    3) Creative - met

    I'm not convinced that # 2 has been fully met. But then, I'm a contrarian.

    Augustus Saint-Gaudens would be proud of DC's work ;)

    OP says the pics are his. Either you believe him or you don't.

    I think this poster's issue over "original" is over the content, not who held the camera.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:31PM

    @derryb said:

    You have posted this picture before and it always bothers me....

    Was the cat OK? Did the little girl in the middle learn her lesson and hold onto the handles the next time? Don't leave us hanging... :/

  • 1940coupe1940coupe Posts: 661 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018 2:16PM

    tt

  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does college ball have a rule about using their images? They probably wouldn't get their panties too bunched up about you using this image of theirs if they do.

    Unless of course, you took this picture too, which you use one the sports forum.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 9,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2018 6:41AM

    Shocking what happens there.

    Investor

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