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Multiple denomination Talers

TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 6, 2018 11:31AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

Got to admire this and other hunks of German silver while visiting my brother last weekend. My phone was only able to capture a fraction of this coin's eye-appeal, but wanted to share it anyway.

Do you have a multiple denomination Talers in your collection? Let's see them!



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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki,

    Your brother collects coins too? Anyway, do multiple taler equivalents not from German States apply in this thread? I got Swiss States, Italian States and British...

    EVP

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @EVillageProwler said:
    @TwoKopeiki,

    Your brother collects coins too? Anyway, do multiple taler equivalents not from German States apply in this thread? I got Swiss States, Italian States and British...

    EVP

    @EVP
    He sure does - he's into Germany and collects by Davenport numbers. I think he has some of his sets at NGC under TalerManiac. He's also the reason I got interested in coins as a kid. I remember doing pencil rubbings of his coins back when I was little (he's 14 years older) and thinking it was the greatest thing ever.

    Please post your huge silvers!

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW, @TwoKopeiki, I think it is very cool that your brother collects coins. Mine (also older) used to do so when we were young but never as seriously as I have since become. He used to have rolls of circ Morgan Dollars, preferring the commodity aspect of coins.

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    My goodness! Love everything i see!!!

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭

    A quick look at the census of either NGC or PCGS illustrates the scarcity of these multiple talers.

    NGC:
    Of the 70,881 total German coins graded; the total population of talers is as follows:
    - 1 taler: 4,161 graded
    - 1.25 taler: 15 graded
    - 1.5 taler: 31 graded
    - 2 taler: 169 graded
    - 3 taler: 33 graded
    - 4 taler: 9 graded
    - 5 taler: 8 graded
    - 6 taler: 1 graded
    - 10 taler: 1 graded

    Does anybody know how to view the total population at PCGS (without going into each of the individual german states links)?

  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭

    So we have 3 of the 33 total graded 3T pieces in this thread!

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @worldcoinguy said:
    So we have 3 of the 33 total graded 3T pieces in this thread!

    This census include details grades?

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrific coins .

    They really knew how to make coinage back in the day.

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭

    Good point EVP. They make you work a bit more to get the numbers on the details pieces.....1.5, 5, 6, and 10T did not have any detail grades noted.

    • 1 taler: 4,161 graded / 1,017 detail graded
    • 1.25 taler: 15 graded / 4 detail graded
    • 1.5 taler: 31 graded
    • 2 taler: 169 graded / 17 detail graded
    • 3 taler: 33 graded / 4 detail graded
    • 4 taler: 9 graded / 2 detail graded
    • 5 taler: 8 graded
    • 6 taler: 1 graded
    • 10 taler: 1 graded
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @worldcoinguy said:
    2K - Maybe you have mentioned it here on the forum but I never made the connection between you and TalerManiac. That is very cool. Is the 3T piece in his collection? The sheer size of those are amazing. I would love to see a 4T, 5T, or larger in person some day. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I recall seeing two older sede vacante talers in his collection in years past but I do not see them anymore. Maybe I am confusing his set with a different set?

    I would love to someday add a 1.5T, 2T, or 3T to the collection from one of the Brunswick states. I came close a few times but only have second place bidding results to show for it. Out of reach for now but maybe some day.....

    >

    @worldcoinguy
    Love the design on that 2T!

    The 3T and a corresponding 1.5T are his recent additions, I believe. I don't follow his sets as closely as I probably should. I will ask him about the Sede Vacante pieces next time we chat.

    Awesome coins, everyone!

  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many great coins here. Thanks for sharing.

    My current "Box of 20"

  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many lovely coins here. If possible, take
    the opportunity to hold these large coins
    raw. Several years ago Don Kagin had a
    10 Taler piece at his table. He noticed my
    interest and he took out the coin for me
    to inspect. It weighed approximately what
    10 Morgan dollars would. A fond memory
    for me.

    Can someone summarize the reason for
    the Loser's .

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tibor said:
    Many lovely coins here. If possible, take
    the opportunity to hold these large coins
    raw. Several years ago Don Kagin had a
    10 Taler piece at his table. He noticed my
    interest and he took out the coin for me
    to inspect. It weighed approximately what
    10 Morgan dollars would. A fond memory
    for me.

    Mine are raw.

    Can someone summarize the reason for
    the Loser's .

    Loeser (oe = German ‘o’ with umlaut) was used as bullion reserve by the nobility to be redeemed in times of conflict.

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭

    Newest addition from Goldberg auction this week; quite excited to see this in hand when it arrives:

    1664 Brunswick-Lüneburg 2 taler
    Dav LS189; KM 252.5; 63 mm
    PCGS AU-58

    2T from Harz purchased in early 2019:

    1680 Harz Zellerfield
    Knyphausen-7295; 63 mm; 52g
    NGC AU-58

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @worldcoinguy - these are wonderful! Congrats on adding them to your collection!

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    @worldcoinguy - these are wonderful! Congrats on adding them to your collection!

    Nice coins !

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    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the mining taler!

    My current "Box of 20"

  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭

    1666-HR Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 4 Taler
    Zellerfeld mint, Dav-LS84, Welter-781a,
    NGC AU-53

    This one will be in hand soon from Heritage; this purchase has been years in the making. The planchet is substantial at 87mm with a weight of 116.3 gm. I will have to post another picture when it arrives next to a normal NGC holder for perspective. This is one of the 10 total 4T graded by NGC & PCGS combined.

    It was struck to celebrate the 88th birthday of Augustus II (The Younger), Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg on April 10th. The celebration was timely, as he passed away 5 months later on Sept 17th. He was succeeded by his eldest son Rudolph Augustus.

    Images attributed to Heritage.

  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    @worldcoinguy Congrats on the massive 4T!!! Can't wait to see pics of it next to a regular NGC slab.....looks like dinner plate in size, wowzer!

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  • harashaharasha Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1.5 Taler, from Augustus the Younger, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg; Prince of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel:

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    DPOTD
  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 4, 2022 12:11PM

    @bob13 - that is a spectacular piece!

    It looks like we were both on the hunt in the same Kunker auction this past fall. Interesting timing of your post because I just learned the same day that the 2T I purchased made it through the NGC grading process in an AU-55 holder and the Preussag collection pedigree was recognized on the insert. I'm pretty excited about this one. DAV-LS87C struck a few years after his death by Julius Philipp Eisendraht, who worked under Rudolph August in Zellerfeld from 1672 to 1675. 66mm, 56.69g.

    Pic from the auction:

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13, @worldcoinguy,

    You guys are making me miss my beloved German States pieces. I still look at all those lots in auctions and dealer inventories and wish I had greater financial resources.

    Nice newps btw!

    EVP

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  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @worldcoinguy said:
    @bob13 - that is a spectacular piece!

    It looks like we were both on the hunt in the same Kunker auction this past fall. Interesting timing of your post because I just learned the same day that the 2T I purchased made it through the NGC grading process in an AU-55 holder and the Preussag collection pedigree was recognized on the insert. I'm pretty excited about this one. DAV-LS87C struck a few years after his death by Julius Philipp Eisendraht, who worked under Rudolph August in Zellerfeld from 1672 to 1675. 66mm, 56.69g.

    The coin I acquired was in their eLive auction just a couple weeks ago. I'm very happy with it, though it seems like quite a few of these Preussag pieces are now coming back to the market.

    I want to get my slabbed, but I am really enjoying holding and examining such a big coin!

    My current "Box of 20"

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