Multiple denomination Talers

TwoKopeiki

Got to admire this and other hunks of German silver while visiting my brother last weekend. My phone was only able to capture a fraction of this coin's eye-appeal, but wanted to share it anyway.

Do you have a multiple denomination Talers in your collection? Let's see them!

EVillageProwler

@TwoKopeiki,

Your brother collects coins too? Anyway, do multiple taler equivalents not from German States apply in this thread? I got Swiss States, Italian States and British...

EVP

TwoKopeiki

@EVillageProwler said:
@TwoKopeiki,

Your brother collects coins too? Anyway, do multiple taler equivalents not from German States apply in this thread? I got Swiss States, Italian States and British...

EVP

@EVP
He sure does - he's into Germany and collects by Davenport numbers. I think he has some of his sets at NGC under TalerManiac. He's also the reason I got interested in coins as a kid. I remember doing pencil rubbings of his coins back when I was little (he's 14 years older) and thinking it was the greatest thing ever.

Please post your huge silvers!

EVillageProwler

Ok, here are three:

EVillageProwler

BTW, @TwoKopeiki, I think it is very cool that your brother collects coins. Mine (also older) used to do so when we were young but never as seriously as I have since become. He used to have rolls of circ Morgan Dollars, preferring the commodity aspect of coins.

Zohar

1595 Archduke Ferdinand 2 Taler

1604 Rudolph II 2 Taler

1604 Rudolph II 3 Taler

1614 Maximilian Teutonic Order 2 Taler

1626 Leopold V 2 Taler

1646 Ferdinand Charles 2 Taler

Leopold "The Hogmouth" 2 Taler

ND Charles VI 2 Taler

Franz Joseph 2 Taler

Hungary St. George 2 Taler

mkman123

My goodness! Love everything i see!!!

worldcoinguy

2K - Maybe you have mentioned it here on the forum but I never made the connection between you and TalerManiac. That is very cool. Is the 3T piece in his collection? The sheer size of those are amazing. I would love to see a 4T, 5T, or larger in person some day. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I recall seeing two older sede vacante talers in his collection in years past but I do not see them anymore. Maybe I am confusing his set with a different set?

I would love to someday add a 1.5T, 2T, or 3T to the collection from one of the Brunswick states. I came close a few times but only have second place bidding results to show for it. Out of reach for now but maybe some day.....

Here is the 2T from Eichstatt in my set:

EVillageProwler

Forgot about these:

worldcoinguy

A quick look at the census of either NGC or PCGS illustrates the scarcity of these multiple talers.

NGC:
Of the 70,881 total German coins graded; the total population of talers is as follows:
- 1 taler: 4,161 graded
- 1.25 taler: 15 graded
- 1.5 taler: 31 graded
- 2 taler: 169 graded
- 3 taler: 33 graded
- 4 taler: 9 graded
- 5 taler: 8 graded
- 6 taler: 1 graded
- 10 taler: 1 graded

Does anybody know how to view the total population at PCGS (without going into each of the individual german states links)?

worldcoinguy

So we have 3 of the 33 total graded 3T pieces in this thread!

EVillageProwler

@worldcoinguy said:
So we have 3 of the 33 total graded 3T pieces in this thread!

This census include details grades?

bidask

Terrific coins .

They really knew how to make coinage back in the day.

worldcoinguy

Good point EVP. They make you work a bit more to get the numbers on the details pieces.....1.5, 5, 6, and 10T did not have any detail grades noted.

• 1 taler: 4,161 graded / 1,017 detail graded
• 1.25 taler: 15 graded / 4 detail graded
• 1.5 taler: 31 graded
• 2 taler: 169 graded / 17 detail graded
• 3 taler: 33 graded / 4 detail graded
• 4 taler: 9 graded / 2 detail graded
• 5 taler: 8 graded
• 6 taler: 1 graded
• 10 taler: 1 graded

WildIdea

My one multi, never get my gazes fill of looking at it!

Love everyone else’s too, thanks for posting.

TwoKopeiki

@worldcoinguy said:
2K - Maybe you have mentioned it here on the forum but I never made the connection between you and TalerManiac. That is very cool. Is the 3T piece in his collection? The sheer size of those are amazing. I would love to see a 4T, 5T, or larger in person some day. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I recall seeing two older sede vacante talers in his collection in years past but I do not see them anymore. Maybe I am confusing his set with a different set?

I would love to someday add a 1.5T, 2T, or 3T to the collection from one of the Brunswick states. I came close a few times but only have second place bidding results to show for it. Out of reach for now but maybe some day.....

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@worldcoinguy
Love the design on that 2T!

The 3T and a corresponding 1.5T are his recent additions, I believe. I don't follow his sets as closely as I probably should. I will ask him about the Sede Vacante pieces next time we chat.

Awesome coins, everyone!

Bob13

Many great coins here. Thanks for sharing.

Tibor

Many lovely coins here. If possible, take
the opportunity to hold these large coins
raw. Several years ago Don Kagin had a
10 Taler piece at his table. He noticed my
interest and he took out the coin for me
to inspect. It weighed approximately what
10 Morgan dollars would. A fond memory
for me.

Can someone summarize the reason for
the Loser's .

EVillageProwler

@Tibor said:
Many lovely coins here. If possible, take
the opportunity to hold these large coins
raw. Several years ago Don Kagin had a
10 Taler piece at his table. He noticed my
interest and he took out the coin for me
to inspect. It weighed approximately what
10 Morgan dollars would. A fond memory
for me.

Mine are raw.

Can someone summarize the reason for
the Loser's .

Loeser (oe = German ‘o’ with umlaut) was used as bullion reserve by the nobility to be redeemed in times of conflict.

worldcoinguy

Newest addition from Goldberg auction this week; quite excited to see this in hand when it arrives:

1664 Brunswick-Lüneburg 2 taler
Dav LS189; KM 252.5; 63 mm
PCGS AU-58

2T from Harz purchased in early 2019:

1680 Harz Zellerfield
Knyphausen-7295; 63 mm; 52g
NGC AU-58

TwoKopeiki

@worldcoinguy - these are wonderful! Congrats on adding them to your collection!

bidask

@TwoKopeiki said:
@worldcoinguy - these are wonderful! Congrats on adding them to your collection!

Nice coins !

Bob13

Love the mining taler!

Zohar

worldcoinguy

1666-HR Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 4 Taler
Zellerfeld mint, Dav-LS84, Welter-781a,
NGC AU-53

This one will be in hand soon from Heritage; this purchase has been years in the making. The planchet is substantial at 87mm with a weight of 116.3 gm. I will have to post another picture when it arrives next to a normal NGC holder for perspective. This is one of the 10 total 4T graded by NGC & PCGS combined.

It was struck to celebrate the 88th birthday of Augustus II (The Younger), Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg on April 10th. The celebration was timely, as he passed away 5 months later on Sept 17th. He was succeeded by his eldest son Rudolph Augustus.

Images attributed to Heritage.

mkman123

@worldcoinguy Congrats on the massive 4T!!! Can't wait to see pics of it next to a regular NGC slab.....looks like dinner plate in size, wowzer!

harasha

1.5 Taler, from Augustus the Younger, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg; Prince of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel:

Bob13

I've been anxiously awaiting the arrival of this NEWP, which arrived today. As you can tell - it's a BIG coin!

It's a 1 1/2 Taler, weighing 43 grams and 55mm in diameter - a Morgan dollar weighs "only" 26.7 grams, and is about 38mm! The coin is from the Preussag collection, which you can read about here and where you can also see some other great examples of multiple talers in the catalog.

This was a big purchase for me and I was very happy to see how this turned out in hand:

Reading this thread certainly helped pique my interest, as did this one on CoinTalk.

Any one else have some to share?

(And in case instagram link fails)

worldcoinguy

@bob13 - that is a spectacular piece!

It looks like we were both on the hunt in the same Kunker auction this past fall. Interesting timing of your post because I just learned the same day that the 2T I purchased made it through the NGC grading process in an AU-55 holder and the Preussag collection pedigree was recognized on the insert. I'm pretty excited about this one. DAV-LS87C struck a few years after his death by Julius Philipp Eisendraht, who worked under Rudolph August in Zellerfeld from 1672 to 1675. 66mm, 56.69g.

Pic from the auction:

EVillageProwler

@Bob13, @worldcoinguy,

You guys are making me miss my beloved German States pieces. I still look at all those lots in auctions and dealer inventories and wish I had greater financial resources.

Nice newps btw!

EVP

Bob13

@worldcoinguy said:
@bob13 - that is a spectacular piece!

It looks like we were both on the hunt in the same Kunker auction this past fall. Interesting timing of your post because I just learned the same day that the 2T I purchased made it through the NGC grading process in an AU-55 holder and the Preussag collection pedigree was recognized on the insert. I'm pretty excited about this one. DAV-LS87C struck a few years after his death by Julius Philipp Eisendraht, who worked under Rudolph August in Zellerfeld from 1672 to 1675. 66mm, 56.69g.

The coin I acquired was in their eLive auction just a couple weeks ago. I'm very happy with it, though it seems like quite a few of these Preussag pieces are now coming back to the market.

I want to get my slabbed, but I am really enjoying holding and examining such a big coin!

Zohar

Great stuff!