@davidlisa said:
Didn't Rosen find a hoard of 1954 and 1955 Bowman baseball and football boxes in the eighties ?
Yes...believe there were some Topps in there too but the bulk was Bowman. Some so bug infested they were thrown out.
The Bowman baseball were wax packs I believe, not cello's. There was only 1 PSA graded cello before they opened it. Not sure if GAI ever holdered any and/or how many reside in private until a later date.
What an incredible pull! I like the concept of having a stake in opening a pricey pack without buying the whole thing.
Without a better scan, it is tough to tell if the PSA 9 Mantle's top edge has chipping or a rough cut. I would hope it isn't chipping, because PSA is usually quite strict with that condition flaw.
The administration and promotion of the break leaves a lot to be desired. I know if I had paid $500 for a slot in the break, I would hope that only one competent person would be allowed to handle the pack once it was cracked from the PSA case and that only that one person would hold the cards from start to finish. Seeing the cello pack and individual cards passed around in a cavalier fashion made me question why the company hadn't set ground rules for such an expensive pack to prevent some random person who happened to be in the vicinity from handling and possibly damaging the cards.
The carnival barker shouting out possible PSA grades was strange too. If it was my card, I wouldn't want anyone speculating on the grade in public after a half glance.
@Frozencaribou said:
What an incredible pull! I like the concept of having a stake in opening a pricey pack without buying the whole thing.
Without a better scan, it is tough to tell if the PSA 9 Mantle's top edge has chipping or a rough cut. I would hope it isn't chipping, because PSA is usually quite strict with that condition flaw.
The administration and promotion of the break leaves a lot to be desired. I know if I had paid $500 for a slot in the break, I would hope that only one competent person would be allowed to handle the pack once it was cracked from the PSA case and that only that one person would hold the cards from start to finish. Seeing the cello pack and individual cards passed around in a cavalier fashion made me question why the company hadn't set ground rules for such an expensive pack to prevent some random person who happened to be in the vicinity from handling and possibly damaging the cards.
The carnival barker shouting out possible PSA grades was strange too. If it was my card, I wouldn't want anyone speculating on the grade in public after a half glance.
-Nathanael
I could not agree with you more. I was cringing when that pack was being passed around. I mean, it was cool for the person watching at home to get a glimpse, but to have people who aren't even "in the hobby" touching - man what a disaster that could have been.
The "carnival barker" (great nickname) was annoying too. I remember how much I disliked him when he broke the 86 Fleer hoops wax earlier this spring. In addition to everyone at the table having touched the pack, other things I thought were really unprofessional:
-The dude in the black golf shirt pounding the table. Many, many times. The entire table was shaking. That made me nervous.
-The guy handling the break at the table did a good job putting the cards into the CardSavers. Then he turned it over to the Carnival Barker to put in the Mantle. Look specifically at the 28:27 mark. He starts moving/turning the Saver before its in the sleeve. That guy is way too much for me.
-I understand the Carnival Barker passing it to the guy running the camera to show people at home a close up. However, that guy passes it to the bald guy doing radio? For what purpose? Notice the way the card is then set back down on the table at the 29:33 mark.
These guys just seem way too green to be doing these types of breaks.
Vintage Breaks announced last night on the PSA Show that the entire Cello Pack will be graded by PSA and each card will be encapsulated with the same flip designation as the Mantle. They estimated there is potential for a handful of 9's and 10's possible. Pretty cool that the story goes on.
I bought one slot for a 75 cello pack and hit this. Tough to gauge condition with this picture, however the commentary And follownup discussion with them leads me to believe it is 8-9
Nice hit on the Yount! I think you are likely looking at an 8 with an outside chance at a 9.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks Tim! I agree centering is off a bit on both sides. Can’t really tell if chipping on the bottom border or not. That may be the determining factor. Kind of looks like this one I l pulled from a pack about 15 years ago, it might be a bit better centered, however a very tiny bit of chipping in the brown border. It has been reviewed to no avail.This one most recently is a different experience than what I am used to!
IMO the Mantle got at least a 1 grade bump for the hype and PR. If that same card is sent in randomly for grading no way it gets a 9 with top/bottom centering that off.
@ScottJayhawk said:
IMO the Mantle got at least a 1 grade bump for the hype and PR. If that same card is sent in randomly for grading no way it gets a 9 with top/bottom centering that off.
Displayed horizontally, the top/bottom centering is near perfect for that set. The right/left is somewhat distracting, but with such wide borders is likely within minimal 9 parameters (I'm too lazy to measure).
@ScottJayhawk said:
IMO the Mantle got at least a 1 grade bump for the hype and PR. If that same card is sent in randomly for grading no way it gets a 9 with top/bottom centering that off.
Displayed horizontally, the top/bottom centering is near perfect for that set. The right/left is somewhat distracting, but with such wide borders is likely within minimal 9 parameters (I'm too lazy to measure).
You’re exactly right, it is right around 60/40 or perhaps slightly better. That’s one of the weaknesses of having a strict numerical centering cutoff for a given grade, the more border space there is, the worse 60/40 will look.
There has been some discussion about the grades of the cards found in the Cello pack.
In particular, the Mickey Mantle card.
First, let me say that this was a really cool event at the show. It was fun and it was an authentic hobby moment, one of the reasons we all love this stuff.
As to the cards, rough cuts are not considered "bad" by PSA. In fact, in many cases, they are actually considered a good thing depending on the issue.
For example, I can remember when we graded an absolutely spectacular 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky rookie last year and some people were perplexed by the grade/rough cut.
If a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Gretzky doesn't show some semblance of a rough cut, there's a problem.
In addition, rough cuts are not the same thing as chipping from handling, wear, etc.
There is, however, a difference (from PSA's perspective) if the cut impacts the corners in a negative way.
That all said, as collectors we reserve the right to buy what we personally like no matter what the technical grade is.
Some collectors don't like rough cuts, and that's OK.
I can tell you this, the experienced collectors and dealers who saw the card in person were practically salivating at the show.
It is beautiful, as were several others cards from the pack...but not all of them achieved high grades.
The grades ranged from PSA EX 5 to PSA Mint 9 for various reasons (paper stock issues, centering, etc.).
I appreciate all the activity on the boards and the interest in the story.
It was a really neat moment and one PSA was happy to document for future owners of the cards found in the pack.
Joe - thank you for the comments and clarity. I think one thing that would help the hobby and collectors is to have some type of symposium at the National or online showing several different versions and grades of the same card(s), and explain how cards that look almost identical have different grades. I think if the public was educated more to the specific nuances of why cards get the grades they do it would benefit both the collector and PSA. I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
@KendallCat said:
Joe - thank you for the comments and clarity. I think one thing that would help the hobby and collectors is to have some type of symposium at the National or online showing several different versions and grades of the same card(s), and explain how cards that look almost identical have different grades. I think if the public was educated more to the specific nuances of why cards get the grades they do it would benefit both the collector and PSA. I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
Thank you in advance for your time.
KC
I am sure you mean an in person version of this with specifics, but they do actually have a 1952 topps Mantle on PSA website showing from grades 1 to 10. Not sure this this does the trick but I found it helpful a while back to read and compare visually. https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandards/#cards
I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
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KC
Well, none that we subbed. I have had plenty of 9s I bought that I think should be in 8 holders.
I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
That's actually kind of funny Keith.
Guys gets card in 9 holder from PSA and calls up demanding it be in an 8? Now that's for a sitcom.
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Poor Rico is probably deaf in his right ear now.
One of the funniest comments I have read on here in quite some time!
Didn't Rosen find a hoard of 1954 and 1955 Bowman baseball and football boxes in the eighties ?
Yes...believe there were some Topps in there too but the bulk was Bowman. Some so bug infested they were thrown out.
The Bowman baseball were wax packs I believe, not cello's. There was only 1 PSA graded cello before they opened it. Not sure if GAI ever holdered any and/or how many reside in private until a later date.
i read an article on yahooo the guy thought it would grade a 3?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
He owns a PSA 3 currently, so he will be selling the card is what the article was trying to state, albeit jumbled a bit. xD
I noticed that as well
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I thank the guys for posting on this.
I was not in the area when this went down - by the time I got to the booth - everyone had taken their Valium and the dust had totally settled.
I went to Wells Fargo bank today to make a deposit and one to the finance guys told me about the card - so it was big news!
What an incredible pull! I like the concept of having a stake in opening a pricey pack without buying the whole thing.
Without a better scan, it is tough to tell if the PSA 9 Mantle's top edge has chipping or a rough cut. I would hope it isn't chipping, because PSA is usually quite strict with that condition flaw.
The administration and promotion of the break leaves a lot to be desired. I know if I had paid $500 for a slot in the break, I would hope that only one competent person would be allowed to handle the pack once it was cracked from the PSA case and that only that one person would hold the cards from start to finish. Seeing the cello pack and individual cards passed around in a cavalier fashion made me question why the company hadn't set ground rules for such an expensive pack to prevent some random person who happened to be in the vicinity from handling and possibly damaging the cards.
The carnival barker shouting out possible PSA grades was strange too. If it was my card, I wouldn't want anyone speculating on the grade in public after a half glance.
-Nathanael
thank you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
I could not agree with you more. I was cringing when that pack was being passed around. I mean, it was cool for the person watching at home to get a glimpse, but to have people who aren't even "in the hobby" touching - man what a disaster that could have been.
The "carnival barker" (great nickname) was annoying too. I remember how much I disliked him when he broke the 86 Fleer hoops wax earlier this spring. In addition to everyone at the table having touched the pack, other things I thought were really unprofessional:
-The dude in the black golf shirt pounding the table. Many, many times. The entire table was shaking. That made me nervous.
-The guy handling the break at the table did a good job putting the cards into the CardSavers. Then he turned it over to the Carnival Barker to put in the Mantle. Look specifically at the 28:27 mark. He starts moving/turning the Saver before its in the sleeve. That guy is way too much for me.
-I understand the Carnival Barker passing it to the guy running the camera to show people at home a close up. However, that guy passes it to the bald guy doing radio? For what purpose? Notice the way the card is then set back down on the table at the 29:33 mark.
These guys just seem way too green to be doing these types of breaks.
But Mike if you knew that he was going to pull a Mantle, you surely would have been there earlier.
“Carnival Barker”. Lolollllll
Vintage Breaks announced last night on the PSA Show that the entire Cello Pack will be graded by PSA and each card will be encapsulated with the same flip designation as the Mantle. They estimated there is potential for a handful of 9's and 10's possible. Pretty cool that the story goes on.
the entire pack ? all 20 spots ?what if the person does not want to pay for the grading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Vintage Breaks is paying for all of them they said.
I bought one slot for a 75 cello pack and hit this. Tough to gauge condition with this picture, however the commentary And follownup discussion with them leads me to believe it is 8-9
^ Dan, that is freakin cool. If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the slot?
Andy
Andy
Sure man $22.50
Nice hit on the Yount! I think you are likely looking at an 8 with an outside chance at a 9.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks Tim! I agree centering is off a bit on both sides. Can’t really tell if chipping on the bottom border or not. That may be the determining factor. Kind of looks like this one I l pulled from a pack about 15 years ago, it might be a bit better centered, however a very tiny bit of chipping in the brown border. It has been reviewed to no avail.This one most recently is a different experience than what I am used to!
Congratulations Dan!
IMO the Mantle got at least a 1 grade bump for the hype and PR. If that same card is sent in randomly for grading no way it gets a 9 with top/bottom centering that off.
Displayed horizontally, the top/bottom centering is near perfect for that set. The right/left is somewhat distracting, but with such wide borders is likely within minimal 9 parameters (I'm too lazy to measure).
Not mine but shared by Joe on Twitter.
Centered just looks so much better left to right in this issue. I have no idea why this is a 7
You’re exactly right, it is right around 60/40 or perhaps slightly better. That’s one of the weaknesses of having a strict numerical centering cutoff for a given grade, the more border space there is, the worse 60/40 will look.
Hello everyone,
There has been some discussion about the grades of the cards found in the Cello pack.
In particular, the Mickey Mantle card.
First, let me say that this was a really cool event at the show. It was fun and it was an authentic hobby moment, one of the reasons we all love this stuff.
As to the cards, rough cuts are not considered "bad" by PSA. In fact, in many cases, they are actually considered a good thing depending on the issue.
For example, I can remember when we graded an absolutely spectacular 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky rookie last year and some people were perplexed by the grade/rough cut.
If a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Gretzky doesn't show some semblance of a rough cut, there's a problem.
In addition, rough cuts are not the same thing as chipping from handling, wear, etc.
There is, however, a difference (from PSA's perspective) if the cut impacts the corners in a negative way.
That all said, as collectors we reserve the right to buy what we personally like no matter what the technical grade is.
Some collectors don't like rough cuts, and that's OK.
I can tell you this, the experienced collectors and dealers who saw the card in person were practically salivating at the show.
It is beautiful, as were several others cards from the pack...but not all of them achieved high grades.
The grades ranged from PSA EX 5 to PSA Mint 9 for various reasons (paper stock issues, centering, etc.).
I appreciate all the activity on the boards and the interest in the story.
It was a really neat moment and one PSA was happy to document for future owners of the cards found in the pack.
Take care,
Joe Orlando
CEO, Collectors Universe, Inc.
CEO, Collectors Universe, Inc.
Upper right corner and lower left corner.
KC
Joe - thank you for the comments and clarity. I think one thing that would help the hobby and collectors is to have some type of symposium at the National or online showing several different versions and grades of the same card(s), and explain how cards that look almost identical have different grades. I think if the public was educated more to the specific nuances of why cards get the grades they do it would benefit both the collector and PSA. I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
Thank you in advance for your time.
KC
I am sure you mean an in person version of this with specifics, but they do actually have a 1952 topps Mantle on PSA website showing from grades 1 to 10. Not sure this this does the trick but I found it helpful a while back to read and compare visually. https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandards/#cards
I am sure all of us have cards in a PSA 8 holder that we think deserves an 8.5/9 grade, and none of us have cards in PSA 9 holders that we think should be 8/8.5’s
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Well, none that we subbed. I have had plenty of 9s I bought that I think should be in 8 holders.
In that response we learned someone has a $500 psa 5 common. Ouch.
I’m ok with it as a 9 btw
That's actually kind of funny Keith.
Guys gets card in 9 holder from PSA and calls up demanding it be in an 8? Now that's for a sitcom.
Careful criticizing the grade. Looks like a few members had their comments deleted and their accounts banned. Lol
I saw the Mantle in person today at the White Plains show. It is certainly nice and crisp!
Agreed, saw it on Friday. Nice example of that card.