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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not anti-lawyer. It's better to have lawyers solve disputes rather than have countless Hatfield-McCoy situations out there with families shooting at each other and other assorted forms of violence. However, I am anti-scumbag lawyer and that's what most of them are...and we all know it.

    A basic problem with today's society, is graduating too many lawyers, and not enough engineers, scientists, doctors, etc, IE smart people who benefit society rather than prey on it. And make no mistake, most lawyers are predators...and we all know that as well.

    The old saying is, "Everybody hates lawyers until they need one." Of course there is merit to that old saying. But the problem is there are far too many lawyers out there when we don't need one, and don't want one.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Robb, please. Spare us your long winded eloquent nonsense. I spent 20 years in the Law Enforcement industry and know and seen first hand that most lawyers will drag things out for their client and for themselves especially when there is a bottomless pit of money ie: the state or a wealthy individual so stop it about that nonsense concerning lawyers. Sure I bet your family is a very nice group of ethical hardworking lawyers, there are some that are genuine good ethical lawyers out there but trust me they are in the minority. I’ve known hundreds of lawyers and they usually are not good people. I can say the same about a lot of Law Enforcement too so don’t think I’m one sided.

    <<< I can say the same about a lot of Law Enforcement too so don’t think I’m one sided. >>>

    Yes, but I, and I think most people out there certainly trust those in law enforcement versus a scumbag lawyer. I believe that most in law enforcement are honorable good people and sure a few bad ones...versus lawyers where most of them have no honor at all, and there are only a few good ones percentage wise.

    One of my best friend's sons is a lawyer, but it's for international business purposes, analyzing laws in other countries, etc, and that is most honorable and necessary for a business to successfully operate internationally. He works for a large manufacturing company.

    I of course knew my friend's son since he was born, and he was a good kid growing up, with good grades in school, etc, and i'll admit it surprised me a bit when he decided to go to law school. But after graduation, I saw the career path he took, not as a phone book ad, ambulance chaser, as most lawyers do today, but as an honorable, respected, and needed, hard working lawyer in the community which benefits the business he works for which also benefits our country.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SteveK, tell us again how you feel about lawyers, LOL..



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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:
    SteveK, tell us again how you feel about lawyers, LOL..

    Do you prefer the encyclopedia, book, or cliff notes version? ;)

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018 6:31AM

    Let me be clear, the problem with some of these lawyers is a direct result of the Court/Judicial system allowing countless amounts of nonsense to come into play when it comes to interpreting the law. I’m all for due process and innocent until proven guilty ect but the epic amount of time and money that gets wasted by lawyers, courts, district attorneys and judges is on a biblical scale. Part of the reason all these states are in the red financially is due to all this wasted money being typed up in dragging stuff in court out. To keep it sport related if you take a rich ball player he has a better chance of beating a case or minimizing the penalties because he or she has the big money to hire expensive lawyers who will pull out all the stops and play the system to get the best deal. Again in McCoy’s situation if he is tied to this horrific incident in any way no amount of money will save his NFL career in my opinion.

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:
    SteveK, tell us again how you feel about lawyers, LOL..

    and don't sugarcoat it either,tell us how you really feel :p

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I am not anti-lawyer. It's better to have lawyers solve disputes rather than have countless Hatfield-McCoy situations out there with families shooting at each other and other assorted forms of violence. However, I am anti-scumbag lawyer and that's what most of them are...and we all know it.

    A basic problem with today's society, is graduating too many lawyers, and not enough engineers, scientists, doctors, etc, IE smart people who benefit society rather than prey on it. And make no mistake, most lawyers are predators...and we all know that as well.

    The old saying is, "Everybody hates lawyers until they need one." Of course there is merit to that old saying. But the problem is there are far too many lawyers out there when we don't need one, and don't want one.

    Well technically this isn't a Hatfield-McCoy situation,its a Cordon-McCoy one. ;)

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    I am a lawyer and have been practicing law for 36+ years, mostly real property cases. There are lawyers who are some of the finest people around and there are some who are horrible.

    The interesting thing is that while there are many complaints about lawyers, many times it is not the lawyers who are the problem. The problem is the client. Clients can be bat crap crazy and evil. Any lawyer who ends up representing a client like this has my sympathy. Clients can fire lawyers at any time. Many times a lawyer cannot fire a client.

    A "real property" IE real estate, etc, lawyer is in my category of honorable lawyers.

    That is when they stick to real property law, and don't venture out into the sordid world of frivolous lawsuits designed to extort money thru the legal system. In which we in the middle class windup paying for it, with higher prices on almost everything as well as higher taxes.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some how this thread went from wanting justice for the women to dumping on lawyers. ;)

    I have always disliked it when people generalize on something or somebody or some group.

    To say all lawyers are bad or even most lawyers are bad seems wrong to me. JMHO :)B)

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @grote15 said:
    SteveK, tell us again how you feel about lawyers, LOL..

    and don't sugarcoat it either,tell us how you really feel :p

    Okay then, here's how i really feel...Those (CENSORED BECAUSE OF EXCESS PROFANITY)

    ;)

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fergie23 Did your Brady Showcase thread get yanked overnight?

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Some how this thread went from wanting justice for the women to dumping on lawyers. ;)

    I have always disliked it when people generalize on something or somebody or some group.

    To say all lawyers are bad or even most lawyers are bad seems wrong to me. JMHO :)B)

    I think we were discussing how McCoy's lawyers are going to handle the criminal case and civil lawsuit, so it ventured off a bit into lawyers in general...or were we discussing Charlie's Angels? I can't remember. ;)

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Some how this thread went from wanting justice for the women to dumping on lawyers. ;)

    I have always disliked it when people generalize on something or somebody or some group.

    To say all lawyers are bad or even most lawyers are bad seems wrong to me. JMHO :)B)

    I think we were discussing how McCoy's lawyers are going to handle the criminal case and civil lawsuit, so it ventured off a bit into lawyers in general...or were we discussing Charlie's Angels? I can't remember. ;)

    I'm for the Angel's given that choice! :)B)

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2018 7:28AM

    It is Testi Rage! Very sad but we see this in men who have high levels athletes or gym rats no diff. Its like women who have mood disorder. They will excuse it, write a script and he will do 100 hours at local womens shelter. Maybe a book deal in a year or two. If I hit her, here is how it was done.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    It is Testi Rage! Very sad but we see this in men who have high levels athletes or gym rats no diff. Its like women who have mood disorder. They will excuse it, write a script and he will do 100 hours at local womens shelter. Maybe a book deal in a year or two. If I hit her, here is how it was done.

    He is innocent until proven guilty. That being said. there's a big difference between a naturally occurring hormonal swing and injecting illegal steroids. He should get no "roid rage" defense if he is charged.

    Hoping that justice is served in any event.

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  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @Kkathyl said:
    It is Testi Rage! Very sad but we see this in men who have high levels athletes or gym rats no diff. Its like women who have mood disorder. They will excuse it, write a script and he will do 100 hours at local womens shelter. Maybe a book deal in a year or two. If I hit her, here is how it was done.

    He is innocent until proven guilty. That being said. there's a big difference between a naturally occurring hormonal swing and injecting illegal steroids. He should get no "roid rage" defense if he is charged.

    Hoping that justice is served in any event.

    Agree with the no defense for roids. But they will have to prove it. hair sample or something. He might even have a past excuse from well paid doctor who will say he had medical condition. This is so common yet men choice to do it anyway.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

    good thing no dallas cowboys ever pull that crap oh wait

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

    good thing no dallas cowboys ever pull that crap oh wait

    I'm sensing glib!

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @Kkathyl said:
    It is Testi Rage! Very sad but we see this in men who have high levels athletes or gym rats no diff. Its like women who have mood disorder. They will excuse it, write a script and he will do 100 hours at local womens shelter. Maybe a book deal in a year or two. If I hit her, here is how it was done.

    He is innocent until proven guilty. That being said. there's a big difference between a naturally occurring hormonal swing and injecting illegal steroids. He should get no "roid rage" defense if he is charged.

    Hoping that justice is served in any event.

    Agree with the no defense for roids. But they will have to prove it. hair sample or something. He might even have a past excuse from well paid doctor who will say he had medical condition. This is so common yet men choice to do it anyway.

    IF he did this, I hope he gets punished. We will have to wait and see.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

    good thing no dallas cowboys ever pull that crap oh wait

    I give NO special treatment to Cowboys on this. If you are referring to Elliot......he never was even charged. I do believe you are innocent until proven guilty. But then there is O.J. But you know what I mean.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @bronco2078 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

    good thing no dallas cowboys ever pull that crap oh wait

    I give NO special treatment to Cowboys on this. If you are referring to Elliot......he never was even charged. I do believe you are innocent until proven guilty. But then there is O.J. But you know what I mean.

    he wasn't charged because it was swept under the rug

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @bronco2078 said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    There is NO excuse for treating a women like that! NONE!!!

    good thing no dallas cowboys ever pull that crap oh wait

    I give NO special treatment to Cowboys on this. If you are referring to Elliot......he never was even charged. I do believe you are innocent until proven guilty. But then there is O.J. But you know what I mean.

    I thought it was Michael Irvin he was referring to

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's safe to assume nobody likes a scumbag lawyer. The good ones are worth their weight in gold.

    Mark.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

    Tell them there's a submarine accident, and they'll jump in the water and try to dive down there. LOL

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

    It's a good start! :D

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

    Tell them there's a submarine accident, and they'll jump in the water and try to dive down there. LOL

    That's a good one Steve. :oB)

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

    It's a good start! :D

    The winner! You are HOT! You just needed a little time on the bench my man! ;-)

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  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah my other thread went poof.

    Robb

  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 9,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fergie23 said:
    Yeah my other thread went poof.

    Robb

    That's pretty fishy. Good luck trying to get it back.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    You know what they say about 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean, don't you?

    It's a good start! :D

    The winner! You are HOT! You just needed a little time on the bench my man! ;-)

    bring up the anthem or wife beating dallas cowboys , or " the catch" and poof he appears like magic

  • HighGradeLegendsHighGradeLegends Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭

    never heard of him

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    being on an nfl roster is like living in a bizarro world. as long as you're productive, you can do things like pound on a female and ways to circumvent will be dropped in your lap. not until your services are no longer needed do you bear the brunt of the ramifications.

    my money is on shady's wrist hurting for about 5 minutes

    Sorry but that is FALSE, look at Ray Rice. He punched his girl, she begged the NFL to give him another try and married him, all for nothing as he never sniffed an NFL opportunity after that.

    The NFL dropped him because he was terrible his last season. RBs that put up 3.1 yds a carry don't have any wiggle room.

    Meanwhile, a-holes like Adrian Peterson get welcomed back.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 14, 2018 4:46AM

    Tabe, not sure if serious or you just wanted to contradict what I posted but your wrong. Rice was immediately cut, never got another shot and his career was OVER. Ray Rice was not a superstar anymore but he was 100% marketable for a 3rd down back. It was a direct result from the incident in the elevator. In the Adrian Peterson case it was interpreted differently because there was a defense that he was disciplining his child the way he was as s kid using a “Switch” which is an old school southern way of spanking your kid. It’s absolutely wrong and excessive in most of our opinions but there was a fine line there as opposed to punching his girlfriend or wife in the face. I don’t agree with it but that’s why it played out like that. Adrien Peterson is a scumbag in my opinion for the record.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @perkdog said:

    @galaxy27 said:
    being on an nfl roster is like living in a bizarro world. as long as you're productive, you can do things like pound on a female and ways to circumvent will be dropped in your lap. not until your services are no longer needed do you bear the brunt of the ramifications.

    my money is on shady's wrist hurting for about 5 minutes

    Sorry but that is FALSE, look at Ray Rice. He punched his girl, she begged the NFL to give him another try and married him, all for nothing as he never sniffed an NFL opportunity after that.

    The NFL dropped him because he was terrible his last season. RBs that put up 3.1 yds a carry don't have any wiggle room.

    Meanwhile, a-holes like Adrian Peterson get welcomed back.

    Adrian Peterson is NOT my favorite, but a big difference between overpunishing a child and punching a woman in the face. Many of us were hit with switches or in my case, a belt, but not too many grown women got smashed in the face knocking them unconscious.

    Peterson was not really welcomed back here with open arms, he served his year off of football but it was the beginning of the end for him in Minnesota.

    Too bad he wasn't a little smarter in a few areas, he had a great chance to challenge for the GOAT, but that went out the window.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 14, 2018 7:59AM

    Paul, it was pretty apparent during his last season that Rice was washed up or nearly so. While he may have been resigned somewhere had the beating of his girlfriend not surfaced, it was easy to bypass him considering the circumstances.

    Had he been the Ray Rice of 2-3 years before that when the video surfaced, you can bet that a team would have signed him if they were able to.



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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I disagree, look at Greg Hardy he was at the top of his game right? I’m not saying Rice was a stud but the media destroys these teams if they have anything to do with unethical players, Adrian Peterson’s case as I said was different and even Minnesota walked away from him.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 14, 2018 1:28PM

    @perkdog said:
    I disagree, look at Greg Hardy he was at the top of his game right? I’m not saying Rice was a stud but the media destroys these teams if they have anything to do with unethical players, Adrian Peterson’s case as I said was different and even Minnesota walked away from him.

    Hardy got multiple chances after several incidents which involved domestic abuse and personal conduct violations and suspensions and still the Cowboys did all they could to let him play. It was only after his declining production and lack of effort over the latter part of the 2015 season did the Cowboys decide to cut ties with him. Had he continued to play at a high level or had a better attitide and work ethic you can bet he'd have remained on that roster.

    As for Peterson, it' s been crystal clear for a couple of years now that he is in the twilight of his career. He was downright pitiful last season. Much easier to walk away from a player whose skills and ability have so quickly eroded.



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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    Adrian Peterson is NOT my favorite, but a big difference between overpunishing a child and punching a woman in the face. Many of us were hit with switches or in my case, a belt, but not too many grown women got smashed in the face knocking them unconscious.

    "Overpunishing a child". Awww, such a cute way to phrase that. No, let's say what he really did:

    He pounded on a 4-year old child with a weapon. I'd say that's far worse than punching an adult. At the very least, it's equal.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Tabe, not sure if serious or you just wanted to contradict what I posted but your wrong. Rice was immediately cut, never got another shot and his career was OVER. Ray Rice was not a superstar anymore but he was 100% marketable for a 3rd down back. It was a direct result from the incident in the elevator.

    No, what I'm saying is that Rice didn't get a second chance because he was terrible in his final season. Guys that are "marketable as a 3rd down back" (HIGHLY debatable in his case) don't get any leeway.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    Adrian Peterson is NOT my favorite, but a big difference between overpunishing a child and punching a woman in the face. Many of us were hit with switches or in my case, a belt, but not too many grown women got smashed in the face knocking them unconscious.

    "Overpunishing a child". Awww, such a cute way to phrase that. No, let's say what he really did:

    He pounded on a 4-year old child with a weapon. I'd say that's far worse than punching an adult. At the very least, it's equal.

    Come on man.......spanking a child with a switch is hardly pounding with a weapon! Really!!

  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Come on man.......spanking a child with a switch is hardly pounding with a weapon! Really!!

    +1

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Come on man.......spanking a child with a switch is hardly pounding with a weapon! Really!!

    If you were right, I would agree with you. You're not.

    A wooden stick IS a weapon.

    He busted the kid open. Hit him AT LEAST a dozen times. That's not a "spanking". A FOUR YEAR OLD.

    Lemme ask you this - would it have been OK for Peterson to hit his wife or girlfriend in the same way? No? Since when do children deserve LESS protection?

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    Come on man.......spanking a child with a switch is hardly pounding with a weapon! Really!!

    If you were right, I would agree with you. You're not.

    A wooden stick IS a weapon.

    He busted the kid open. Hit him AT LEAST a dozen times. That's not a "spanking". A FOUR YEAR OLD.

    Lemme ask you this - would it have been OK for Peterson to hit his wife or girlfriend in the same way? No? Since when do children deserve LESS protection?

    A wooden stick IS a switch! You don't spank a girlfriend.......unless she wants it. ;) Get real.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018 6:44PM

    @DIMEMAN said:

    A wooden stick IS a switch! You don't spank a girlfriend.......unless she wants it. ;) Get real.

    And switches are weapons.

    Nice to know you think that it's somehow OK to hit a FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD in a way that you wouldn't an adult. What if it had been Peterson's daughter, not his son? Would that have make it not OK, since it's "never OK to hit a girl"? That makes absolutely zero sense.

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    A wooden stick IS a switch! You don't spank a girlfriend.......unless she wants it. ;) Get real.

    And switches are weapons.

    Nice to know you think that it's somehow OK to hit a FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD in a way that you wouldn't an adult. What if it had been Peterson's daughter, not his son? Would that have make it not OK, since it's "never OK to hit a girl"? That makes absolutely zero sense.

    Spanking children.......boys and girls.....is sometimes needed. If you are one of those who say never spank a child.....we can't talk any more.

    This is EXACTLY why there is no discipline in schools anymore.

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2018 7:25PM

    There is a difference between spanking a child and beating him excessively. Peterson went over the line. Frankly, I can't believe anyone who understands the facts of that case would think any different. That kind of child abuse should be criticized not excused.



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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    You don't spank a girlfriend.......unless she wants it. ;)

    the very last thing i need before bed is a mental image of dimeman spanking dimewoman

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:
    There is a difference between spanking a child and beating him excessively. Peterson went over the line. Frankly, I can't believe anyone who understands the facts of that case would think any different. That kind of child abuse should be criticized not excused.

    Exxxxxxxxxactly.

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