A pretty bad fake but a fake nonetheless!

BustyPotato

Hello everyone!
I am going to make a long story short here with an abridged version. Bought some gold off of eBay, PAMP in assay cards. Now I bought two separate pieces of 5 grams from two separate sellers. One is definitely not like the other. Kind of scary considering the only two ways the seller had the fake was they made it themselves or, they were just another person getting duped in a domino chain of suckers! Both weigh twelve grams exactly! I was contacted by the Internet Unit of the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry who confirmed the counterfeit. Enjoy.

derryb

Dianostics for your bar

I avoid all Pamp bars.

OPA

Buy your gold from only National bullion dealers who will buy back your bars....below is a authentic bar issued by APMEX

https://www.apmex.com/product/82247/5-gram-gold-bar-pamp-suisse-lady-fortuna-veriscan-in-assay

Downtown1974

I agree with you, that’s a bad fake. I have seen many realistic looking fake Pamps though.

rln_14

No expert here, the one the left is fake, correct?

BustyPotato

@rln_14 said:
No expert here, the one the left is fake, correct?

Yes it is indeed the left one!

Timbuk3

Sorry to hear that. I hope you get a refund back from eBay. Thanks for sharing your experience.

rln_14

@BustyPotato said:

@rln_14 said:
No expert here, the one the left is fake, correct?

Yes it is indeed the left one!

thanks

Barndog

I got out of the gold bars game a few years back, solely due to the rise of counterfeits

OPA

Who was the seller that sold you the counterfeit?

BustyPotato

@OPA said:
Who was the seller that sold you the counterfeit?

Is naming allowed on these forums if so I will name them. I just do not want to get hit with the ban hammer like you would for naming and shaming on some other forums!

NLL

Scary that fakes can be made with so much ease.

OPA

@BustyPotato said:

@OPA said:
Who was the seller that sold you the counterfeit?

Is naming allowed on these forums if so I will name them. I just do not want to get hit with the ban hammer like you would for naming and shaming on some other forums!

I do not believe, that naming sellers who are in business selling counterfeit items, is reason for banning. We need to be made aware, along with the proper authorities, of those responsible for their criminal ventures.

My take disclosing the info would come under the below rule:

"Rule 8) This forum is provided for the education and sharing of information. Not as a personal soapbox. If you want to learn and share information about US Coins you are welcome."

BustyPotato

@OPA said:

@BustyPotato said:

@OPA said:
Who was the seller that sold you the counterfeit?

Is naming allowed on these forums if so I will name them. I just do not want to get hit with the ban hammer like you would for naming and shaming on some other forums!

I do not believe, that naming sellers who are in business selling counterfeit items, is reason for banning. We need to be made aware, along with the proper authorities, of those responsible for their criminal ventures.

My take disclosing the info would come under the below rule:

"Rule 8) This forum is provided for the education and sharing of information. Not as a personal soapbox. If you want to learn and share information about US Coins you are welcome."

Well on that note, the sellers name was craig-4735. Hope this helps at least one person so nobody else gets duped.

mrkbrown87

How do 5 gram gold bars weigh 12 grams exactly each? And not both be fake?

thefinn

@mrkbrown87 said:
How do 5 gram gold bars weigh 12 grams exactly each? And not both be fake?

Packaging. You can tell the one not made of gold because it will be thicker than the real one. The counterfeiter needs to make them weigh the same, and since the base metals and alloys (copper, zinc, brass/bronze, steel) are less dense than gold, they need to make the pieces bigger. They usually make them thicker rather than wider or higher to avoid immediate detection.
Since many people will only buy these in the cards, you need to weigh them in the card.

OPA

@BustyPotato said:

@OPA said:

@BustyPotato said:

@OPA said:
Who was the seller that sold you the counterfeit?

Is naming allowed on these forums if so I will name them. I just do not want to get hit with the ban hammer like you would for naming and shaming on some other forums!

I do not believe, that naming sellers who are in business selling counterfeit items, is reason for banning. We need to be made aware, along with the proper authorities, of those responsible for their criminal ventures.

My take disclosing the info would come under the below rule:

"Rule 8) This forum is provided for the education and sharing of information. Not as a personal soapbox. If you want to learn and share information about US Coins you are welcome."

Well on that note, the sellers name was craig-4735. Hope this helps at least one person so nobody else gets duped.

Thanks

morgansforever

Chinese will fake anything if there's a demand. I only buy from APMEX or JM Bullion.