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Hi All,

First posting on this forum, has been reading some of the discussions. I'm fairly new to coin collecting but not that new to errors except for the doubled die which has been a tough error to attribute. I have this 1992 S Proof Jeffie which I believe has a DDR on the M of UNUM and the right side of the Monticello building. I believe the 3rd impression could be a reflection on the field surface. Appreciate any help from the more knowledgeable folks here. Thanks in advance!




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  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the boards.

    As far as your nickel, I'm no expert, but it looks like hub doubling.
    Good luck!


    Later, Paul.
  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is definitely something there but DD or MD? Is there a known DD on proof nickels from this year?

  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome! Welcome! Looks doubled to me. Looks doubled to me. Very very nice~

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the Board!

    It's difficult to tell from the images ... are the serifs split on the 'M.' A 'doubling' of the 'M' or building can simply be from machine doubling (also known as shelf doubling, strike doubling and die bounce). Machine doubling is often distinguished from a doubled die by the presence of a split on the serifs of the letters.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome, thanks for sharing your find :smile:

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JayF....Welcome aboard....Judging from your pictures, it appears to be machine doubling, I saw no split serif's ...There are excellent resources online to help you increase your skills... Cheers, RickO

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 3, 2018 6:09AM

    There is a list of known double dies on the "Variety Vista" website. The Jefferson Nickel page for this date range is still a work in progress and no double dies are listed for the 1992S reverse, yet. There is an email address for James Wiles, who maintains this website, to whom you can send a scan for an opinion and attribution. Below is a link to the Jefferson Nickel DDR page for this date range.
    varietyvista.com/04b%20JN%20DD%20Vol%202/DDR%20Listings.htm

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey @JayF

    I forget who posted this explanatory pic but I hope it provides some good info for you.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • JayFJayF Posts: 10 ✭

    @JBK said:
    Is there a known DD on proof nickels from this year?

    Looks like Sellitstore beat me to it. I checked doubleddie, varietyvista and even PCGS price guide but didn't see anything listed for 92 S Reverse. Thanks !

  • JayFJayF Posts: 10 ✭

    @astrorat said:
    Welcome to the Board!

    Machine doubling is often distinguished from a doubled die by the presence of a split on the serifs of the letters.

    Yeah, had a hard time taking a photo of the M as I had to keep adjusting the light or the position to try and get rid of the glare. Forgot to mention that the coin is in a hard plastic shell with 4 other coins so there's two sources of glares to play around to. Someone told me on another forum that not all doubled dies have a split serif but my real question is how does one tell if the doubling is on the designs, wouldn't the doubling always look "flat and shelf like" on the designs rather than how it looks on letters? And of course, no serifs. Thanks for the comment and info!

  • JayFJayF Posts: 10 ✭

    @ricko said:
    @JayF....Welcome aboard....Judging from your pictures, it appears to be machine doubling, I saw no split serif's ...There are excellent resources online to help you increase your skills... Cheers, RickO

    Yes, as I've mention to JBK, I use different sources but it's not easy to spot but I'm still learning. I've thrown back quite a number of DDD on zinc cents after I've learned about that nasty doubling pretender. Still gets me though. Someday, I'll find a true DDO/DDR. Thanks!

  • JayFJayF Posts: 10 ✭

    Thanks everyone for the welcome!

  • JayFJayF Posts: 10 ✭

    @sellitstore said:
    There is a list of known double dies on the "Variety Vista" website. The Jefferson Nickel page for this date range is still a work in progress and no double dies are listed for the 1992S reverse, yet. There is an email address for James Wiles, who maintains this website, to whom you can send a scan for an opinion and attribution. Below is a link to the Jefferson Nickel DDR page for this date range.
    varietyvista.com/04b%20JN%20DD%20Vol%202/DDR%20Listings.htm

    Thanks, yes I did check that as well as doubleddie and PCGS price guide but didn't find any listings for a 92 S jefferson. I have email James before, nice guy and very helpful. Thank you for the comment and info!

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JayF said:

    @astrorat said:
    Welcome to the Board!

    Machine doubling is often distinguished from a doubled die by the presence of a split on the serifs of the letters.

    Yeah, had a hard time taking a photo of the M as I had to keep adjusting the light or the position to try and get rid of the glare. Forgot to mention that the coin is in a hard plastic shell with 4 other coins so there's two sources of glares to play around to. Someone told me on another forum that not all doubled dies have a split serif but my real question is how does one tell if the doubling is on the designs, wouldn't the doubling always look "flat and shelf like" on the designs rather than how it looks on letters? And of course, no serifs. Thanks for the comment and info!

    Take a look at the drawing above. On the 'hub doubled' portion of the drawing, look for the 'notch.' That is what is referred to as 'split serifs.' It's evidence of a clear, distinct separate impression* from the hub onto the die. The separate impression is then transferred to the coin.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • JasonGamingJasonGaming Posts: 928 ✭✭✭✭

    Wow! A person posting a coin that actually has some type of doubling!

    Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome...a good link from @sellitstore.

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JayF Welcome to the boards.

    Good luck with search for DD's.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    welcome to the forums :)

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