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1909 vdb on front and back????

PdlpPdlp Posts: 8 ✭
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Man it looks like it to Me what do u guys think?




I wrote vbd but u guys know I meant vdb just writing real fast

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks to me like someone wrote in a VBD on the front in black.

    [Seriously, there is nothing in that circle.]

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic bow tie on that one , congrats, let us know how our host grades it :smile:

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PS
    I did know that you meant "VDB" not "VBD" :smile:

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just can't look away from that dark spot on the obverse.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pareidolia
    Or ambien

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do see some surface aberration in the area you have circled....However, the VDB was not put on the obverse until 1918. I believe you are experiencing Pareidolia ...Cheers, RickO

  • Owen1793Owen1793 Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭

    This type of thread will never cease to amaze me

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    impossible, buy a Red Book

    Frank

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you have to look REALLY hard AND use your imagination, it's probably not what you are looking for. Wishful thinking should not play a role in proper coin identification.

    Also, since the VDB wasn't restored on the shoulder until 1918, it's very likely that nobody thought of putting it there until 1917-18, making an '09 with VDB on shoulder even more unlikely.

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  • JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    If you have to look REALLY hard AND use your imagination, it's probably not what you are looking for. Wishful thinking should not play a role in proper coin identification.

    Also, since the VDB wasn't restored on the shoulder until 1918, it's very likely that nobody thought of putting it there until 1917-18, making an '09 with VDB on shoulder even more unlikely.

    And the circled part isn't the shoulder. . . . . . or is it?

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another (prime) example of numismatic pareidolia -

    THIS one's gonna be tough to top, but I'm
    confident there's someone out there who can.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing there.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's a regular cent struck on a dime. The black spot indicates copper is present (90% silver, 10% copper). I highly suggest submitting it. These kinds of coins bring hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

    It looks like persistence paid off. I'd see what your local B&M dealer offers.

    Thanks for sharing good luck!

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, Fred, you made me go to Google.

    Clouds are starting to build here leading to afternoon thunderstorms. I'm going to stare at them and see how many mintmarks I can find among them. If I find any possible errors, I'll let you know.

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    I always associated this area as part of the 'truncation' of the bust.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Another (prime) example of numismatic pareidolia -

    THIS one's gonna be tough to top, but I'm
    confident there's someone out there who can.

    Be careful what you wish for...

  • KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, ya'll have it all wrong. It's a new error, never seen before.
    It has the obverse of a normal 1909 Lincoln and the reverse of a completely different normal 1909 Lincoln.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ruhtroh! Hey Scooby, we got a mystery. Or not. Peace Roy

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,337 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why oh why does the OP spend so much time and energy (theirs and and ours) looking for things that don't exist?

    There are lots of worthwhile places to search for real errors and varieties. Buy a few boxes of cents from the bank and search for KNOWN varieties and also any stray errors.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Get it graded.

    bob :)

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    If you have to look REALLY hard AND use your imagination, it's probably not what you are looking for. Wishful thinking should not play a role in proper coin identification.

    Also, since the VDB wasn't restored on the shoulder until 1918, it's very likely that nobody thought of putting it there until 1917-18, making an '09 with VDB on shoulder even more unlikely.

    So, what I'm hearing is that this is a triple error: a cent struck in 1917 that is dated 1909 with a VDB on the obverse and with a VDB on the reverse...

  • JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    I am pretty sure I see bigfoot in that last green photo.

  • JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    @Pdlp said:
    lol i do look to hard and i cant stay on same date i got like 4k coins sittinf all over house in rolls and bowls cups etc im try to do ghem in 09 to19 20to 29 etc but i always hop around not counting the bank rolls of bu i havent opended

    Why don't you start by just sorting and cataloging what you have instead of over analyzing every single coin you pick up.

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Swing and a miss!!!

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  • JcldJcld Posts: 449 ✭✭✭

    @Pdlp said:
    lol ill admit itd 99.999999% unlikely but u never know i think its lettering that was rolled on during die or something like that. i remeber reading cause i saw extra letter and read its possible but the lletter will be excat same as the letter on coin on same side

    I have no idea what you are on about.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jcld said:

    @Pdlp said:
    lol ill admit itd 99.999999% unlikely but u never know i think its lettering that was rolled on during die or something like that. i remeber reading cause i saw extra letter and read its possible but the lletter will be excat same as the letter on coin on same side

    I have no idea what you are on about.

    Did you mean to say " I have no idea what you are on" ? :smile:

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