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Early Irish newp - Dublin, 1759

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Not a coin obviously, but super cool. :smiley:


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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,703 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Having just sold some estate silverware i have to admit this type of thing does not get me excited. Is there an active collector market for this? There sure wasn't for what I was selling. All I saw was the scale.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The early pieces do. I was very pleased to add this to my collection.

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  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tell us a bit about the hallmarks and how this is dated. I suppose the Irish Harp is mostly self-explanatory.

  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Was the lion 'engraving' done with a punch?

    I ask because there is some 'ghosting' on the backside.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lion is engraved, it’s the crest of the original owner.

    The harp and Hibernia are for Dublin (city mark) and Sterling (standard mark) The “L” is the date mark for 1759 and the other is the maker’s mark. (I haven’t looked it up yet) ;)

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had it scanned today:

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2018 4:32PM

    To me this early flatware might not be quite as exciting as a coin of the era, but almost. It has more bullion, and I like the engraving, and the hallmarks are neat looking, though I presently know nothing about such things.


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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The hallmarks are like little coins. :D

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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    I had it scanned today:

    That's a cool tool

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just found the maker: Jonathan Pasley

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Example of pride in craftsmanship. Nice spoon for some

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭

    I like the lion, makes you wonder if it was owned by an Englishman living in Ireland?

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool for what it is. Certain makers are collectible. Collect what you like!

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  • BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    Was the lion 'engraving' done with a punch?

    I ask because there is some 'ghosting' on the backside.

    How do you get the light "ghosting" of the engraved lion on the backside?

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 I'm not really sure, I'm guessing the reflections and the camera?
    But it's certainly engraved, I looked under a loupe.

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  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    Not my thing, but do enjoy hallmarks

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  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would be very cool if you could find a slap token to match...

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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lions are a common theme in Irish heraldry. Minor differences in depiction can have a significant difference in meaning.
    That is a lion "passant", walking with one arm raised (as opposed to "rampant" on one hind leg with both front arms raised).

    The lion passant is apparently associated with the O'Rourke family.

    https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/all-32-irish-county-coat-of-arms-and-where-they-come-from-115697
    http://heraldry.celticradio.net/search.php?id=77

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