If an 1804 dollar is "King of American Coins," who are the Queen, Prince, Princess and other Royals?

RogerB

After all, a royal family has to be more than just a lonely king.

Crypto

1794 dollar, 1933 double eagle and somewhere the 1943 copper has to been on the list as it transcends coin collectors

TommyType

Don't think I can name the entire family.....but seems to me that the Brasher Doubloon falls into the category of "weird uncle, who is invited to family functions just because he always has been".....

Goldbully

A numismatic Royal Flush is in order here.

CaptHenway

The 1913 Liberty Nickel and the 1894-S Dime used to be #2 and #3. #4 was probably the 1895 Dollar.

After that you have the 1870-S $3, and by association the 1870-S Half Dime and the 1870-S Dollar. The 1943 Bronze cent was also a contender.

Crypto

I think we would need criteria, it would have to famous 1st, elitely exspencive (towards the very top of the hobby) and just rare enough to make a collection.

Just rare or just expensive shouldn’t make the list IMHO

Swampboy

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tradedollarnut

Queen: 1913 Liberty Head Nickel
Prince: 1933$20
Princess: 1822$5
Royal Family: 1885 Trade$1, 1838-O Half, 1894-S Dime, 1876-CC Twenty Cent, 1870-S Half Dime

kiyote

Prince Janus Head— unique!

RogerB

That's either George Busch or Prince Charles...

Lakesammman

That assumes one considers the 1804 The King - I'd put this pattern at the head, followed by the 1933 DE and the TDN 1794, the 1804 dollar maybe a 2nd in line prince.

rainbowroosie

And the grandfather is a Brasher Dubloon.

RogerB

Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

brg5658

@RogerB said:
Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

Of what importance is an "1804 dollar" struck some 30 (or more) years after it was dated and intended as a novelty? Sounds like an imposter King to me.

Eric Newman got it right... The "Fantastic" (i.e., fantasy) 1804 Dollar

tradedollarnut

@brg5658 said:

@RogerB said:
Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

Of what importance is an "1804 dollar" struck some 30 (or more) years after it was dated and intended as a novelty? Sounds like an imposter King to me.

Eric Newman got it right... The "Fantastic" (i.e., fantasy) 1804 Dollar

So what if the date was 1834? Makes no difference, really

brg5658

@tradedollarnut said:

@brg5658 said:

@RogerB said:
Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

Of what importance is an "1804 dollar" struck some 30 (or more) years after it was dated and intended as a novelty? Sounds like an imposter King to me.

Eric Newman got it right... The "Fantastic" (i.e., fantasy) 1804 Dollar

So what if the date was 1834? Makes no difference, really

Well, for starters, then it's not an 1804 dollar. It's an 1804-dated dollar.

Suppose the US Mint struck yet another three to five 1804-dated dollars this year (let's call them Class IV Fantasies). Now they should suddenly be valued as multi-million dollar novelties? That is what makes no sense.

Crypto

@brg5658 said:

@tradedollarnut said:

@brg5658 said:

@RogerB said:
Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

Of what importance is an "1804 dollar" struck some 30 (or more) years after it was dated and intended as a novelty? Sounds like an imposter King to me.

Eric Newman got it right... The "Fantastic" (i.e., fantasy) 1804 Dollar

So what if the date was 1834? Makes no difference, really

Well, for starters, then it's not an 1804 dollar. It's an 1804-dated dollar.

Suppose the US Mint struck yet another three to five 1804-dated dollars this year (let's call them Class IV Fantasies). Now they should suddenly be valued as multi-million dollar novelties? That is what makes no sense.

If the mint struck about 10 new Ike dollars and dated them 2000 and gave them various world leaders they would indeed become quite valuable as they trickled into retail market. They would be special

Don’t focus on the date, focus on the special issue. Besides the mint thought they made 1804 dollars so people wouldn’t notice them. They were wrong

ricko

In these times, the construct of any family will require DNA analysis... As many have discovered, the family 'story' is not always 'fact'. Cheers, RickO

david3142

I think the 1849 Double Eagle and 1907 Ulta High Relief are in the conversation.

RogerB

@david3142 said:
I think the 1849 Double Eagle and 1907 Ulta High Relief are in the conversation.

Both of these are pattern pieces.

The original 1804 dollars have a claim to legitimacy: Mint officers thought "1804" was probably the last year silver dollars were struck, so that's the date they used for current coins. The various restrikes/remakes and 1801-1803 proofs are just trade-bait.

Weiss

@RogerB said:
Not to derail this interesting thread, but of what importance is a Brasher doubloon? He was regulating the piece, nothing more. [?]

Ephraim Brasher "regulated" circulating gold coinage--including doubloons--to attest to their purity and weight:

But Brasher also designed and created a small run of gold coins of similar weight and purity to the large circulating gold coins of the time. These are the "Brasher Doubloons". These coins are considered by many to be the first true American gold coins. Heritage quotes Q. David Bowers and B. Max Mehl, among others, who feel they are the single most important coins in the world:

specialist

I agree with Lakesmman

J-1776

NOTHING compares. I know for a fact, there are more real buyers for that coin right now than ANY 1804 $. And I know it would sell for far more then the BEST 1804-because we offered $15 million for it. NO 1804 as proven by Pogue is worth that. All hail the King!

1933 $20's in my opinion and only Princes are not in the royal family. My limited brain cell trying to think of what I could #2+3, due to heat here I'm burnt out

ernie11

Terms of royalty don't usually pop into my own head when I'm thinking about coin rarities, I wouldn't acknowledge the 1804 as the "King" of American Coins. so arbitrary titles such as King, Prince, Queen, etc. are irrelevant to me. I much prefer to look at the individual coins' histories, how they survived down to this day and how they survived often in such spectacular condition.

specialist

Oops, forgot about TDN's 1794....Still only real $10 million dollar coin

I actually have 3 people for J-1776. It will not be sold now-the owner put it in a trust for his grand kids-along w/his 6 ULTRA high reliefs!! Actually those might be Queens!!!

CoinRaritiesOnline

@MANOFCOINS said:
I think Julian Leidman owned that coin in past he paid 500k back in late 1970’s And @specialist offered 15million that is what I call a nice return to the current owner.

500K dumped in an index fund back then would be worth about 25 million now.

Crypto

@MANOFCOINS said:

@Lakesammman said:
That assumes one considers the 1804 The King - I'd put this pattern at the head, followed by the 1933 DE and the TDN 1794, the 1804 dollar maybe a 2nd in line prince.

I think Julian Leidman owned that coin in past he paid 500k back in late 1970’s And @specialist offered 15million that is what I call a nice return to the current owner.

I know Mr Leidman fairly well and he tells the story about the market crashing just as he bought it and losing money on the coin when he sold.

PocketArt

Royalty has generations of lineage....

18th, 19th, 20th, and dare say the 21st century should be in the royal line?

I'll stick with 20th: 1909-S VDB is King, 1916 SLQ is Queen, and the Merc '16-D, is in the same vein. Including the '21 Walkers- they are royalty. All other rarities within this century are royal to me, at least, desirable.

dcarr

The Joker in the deck would have to be this:

renman95

I have five.

ilikemonsters

@rainbowroosie said:
And the grandfather is a Brasher Dubloon.

Prince Charles