1804 Dollar Virtual Exhibit. HELP!!

Insider2

After all these years, I'm just reading "The Fantastic 1804 Dollar" by Bressett and Newman. In the book, the authors talk about all the electrotypes and genuine coins with dates altered to 1804 that were around near the turn of the 18th Century . In fifty years, I've only seen one genuine coin altered to an 1804. That was in the 1970's. I've never seen an electrotype although it seems at least a dozen were made. Additionally, I've never seen a decent counterfeit of this date although very deceptive fakes were made for 1795 & 1796 coins. I understand why the counterfeiters would not attempt an 1804 but still, it would be neat to own.

Here is what I was thinking would make a prize winning display:

1. A genuine 1804 dollar.
2. A genuine Flowing Hair dollar extremely skillfully altered to an 1804.
3. An 1804 Electrotype.
4. A modern struck counterfeit 1804 of the quality that passed all the TPGS's a while back. (Probably don't exist.)
5. A decent looking modern Chinese counterfeit. (Have only seen one.)
6. A typical magnetic POS replica. (I have several.)

Now, I suspect at least one member of CU has an electro and altered date in their collection. How about we all get together and do a "virtual display" here on CU.

tradedollarnut

George Huang has a great fake he bought years ago

1630Boston

I'd like to see that display

jesbroken

Now that would be cool in a virtual dansco album with info under each naming owner(should they want) type of copy and what ever needed that would fit. Would love to see it. Get me actual hi quality pics and I will make it.
Jim

Smudge

As you teach, I see why you would need #s2-6, but the only one I would really want is #1 and for that I'll have to wait until payday.

EagleEye

Bob Campbell of All About Coins in Salt Lake City has a Mint-made electrotype of the unique Class II. He got it from Ken Bressett many years ago. You can see the outline of the undertype 1857 Shooting Thaler that transferred from the Mint example.

I have a decent 1804 in a frame in my office. It is a 1803 altered date.

Insider2

@EagleEye said:
Bob Campbell of All About Coins in Salt Lake City has a Mint-made electrotype of the unique Class II. He got it from Ken Bressett many years ago. You can see the outline of the undertype 1857 Shooting Thaler that transferred from the Mint example.

I have a decent 1804 in a frame in my office. It is a 1803 altered date.

I suspected Ken would have something like that and planned to call him this weekend. Newman may have something also in the collection - unless it was all liquidated.

ricko

That is a great idea... and hopefully enough detail so we can see the points that define copies/alterations... Cheers, RickO

oldabeintx

4 is somewhat hard to imagine, yes? An early fake that was controversial or accepted in, say, the 19th century (a long while back) would be interesting.

oldabeintx

Holy cow, No idea why the type size exploded.