1964 sms set
Deniss222
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I believe this is 1964 sms set ...everybody say thay look like 1965 ..s
I buy it to see difference between them ...but thay are same..
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They don't look the same to me. Well, I mean the design is the same. They are both uncirculated. But the surfaces are not the same, which is the distinction between an SMS and other coins.
I dont think the 1964 "SMS" set came in mint cellophane
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None of the PCGS-certified 1964 SMS coins came in original mint packaging. They do not look at all like the 1965s or later SMS coins.
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George
The 64 Kennedy does not show the pick-up point tear drop on the crosslet of the 4, sorry.
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I would say it is not the SMS.... Cheers, RickO
Those would be what they call proof coins for the 1964 set.
big difference on all those comparisons all the portraits are slightly different and the fields.
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This is the "dangling 4" closeup from a certified 1964 SMS half. It does not mean that regular 1964 halves could not have this same diagnostic, merely that I have never seen it on a regular BU half. PCGS seems to have appropriated the description after I sold mine at Heritage a couple of years back (and cataloged and described it and the dozen or so others I know of).
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George
1964 SMS coins are very rare. I don't think yours look like them at all I'm sorry to say.
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Were the '64 SMS quarters struck with the Type-C rev?
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The set he is showing is 1965!
look below.
and nope
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Or Type B, for that matter.
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The obverse of the 64 quarter looks like it kinda sorta tried to have a little cameo.
What bout this set
Sorry, but you don't have one
The 1964 SMS coins were discovered in the estate of a former mint director in the 1980s. Heritage Auctions has some good write ups on them. If I recall correctly, nearly all of them were authenticated and graded by TPGs in the 90’s. Unless you can trace the provenance of your coins back to the TPG holder or the Mint Director’s estate, it is incredibly unlikely you have one yet alone 5.
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I was wondering what you all though of this 64’ Kennedy? It looks like a proof from a distance but isn’t. Its the weirdest 64 Kennedy I’ve seen. Could this be a 1964 Sms Kennedy and
I’m sorry if the pics are bad. Thank you any input is appreciated.
It looks like a mint state 1964.
Mintage in the hundreds of millions.
Forget about finding a 1964 SMS. The coin you have is just another MS coin.
If you didn't get it from the estate of a former mint director, or purchase it at auction, it's very unlikely you have one.
Also, if you are Learning about the existence of 64 SMS from "Get Rich From Pocket change" videos, check to see if they posted the die characteristics of the SMS half. Chances are, they didn't. Stay away from click bait videos that don't tell you the whole story especially ones that imply that you can find one of these in change.
MORE info here at PCGS"
https://pcgs.com/news/1964-special-mint-set-coins
And each denomination has a write up in coin facts.
WS
OK another 64 SMS Thread.
None of the real SMS sets or single coins have been found just floating around.
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Also keep in mind that some 1964 proofs can have a satin appearance instead of brilliant, which can resemble the SMS coins of 1965-1967.
The reason I ask is my grandfather worked at the mint in Philadelphia from 1954 to 1976 when he retired and left me his whole collection from when he passed. In hand this coin looks so different from any other Kennedy’s I have. I ordered a usb microscope and will get some better close ups.
Send it in to a TPG for authentication. That would be the most definitive way. PCGS/NGC/ANACS/ICG - any of these could authenticate it.
While I agree with you, I believe that would amount to throwing money away.
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Ultimately the only opinion that will matter is a TPG such as PCGS.
Either send it in, or spend your life wondering.
If your grandfather worked at the mint maybe he pulled an early strike off new dies that did not get dumped into the hopper. Who knows, it is all a guess. If you want an SMS designation it needs to come from a higher authority.
YET!
Correct and no 1958 Kennedy halves have been found "YET" either.
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Pictures in the holders are useless.
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There's nothing too special about these touted/over-rated SMS coins. Sand blasted working dies struck these coins and like all working dies, they strike thousands of coins. And after a while the satin finish effect wears off as the dies continued to strike coins. Nothing but early die state coins with sand textured sorfaces.
There's a thread in the archives here somewhere of someone's visit to a US Mint and they were allowed to see and photograph many EDS examples for other years and denominations the US Mint had set aside.
Leo
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I've heard of a 1958 Kennedy half, and a 1964 Franklin. When they find those, it'll be sitting next to several 1964 SMS Sets in OGP
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I’ve seen a good number of each denomination, both in and out of holders, and the 1964 SMS coins don’t have “sand textured surfaces”.
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Mark is absolutely correct about the surfaces. At best they are heavily polished and exhibit heavy die polish lines.
sand blast surfaces are pretty much reserved for Matte Proof Gold and some over esoteric issues.
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Here are some more pics out of the holder. The coin looks different from different angles and light. I do see very fine lines in the coin and some pics may not be super clear but I put them up to show the fields finish. I am a PCGS member and that’s where I am sending it. I also have a Penny and quarter that look the same to the this Kennedy.
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I’ve been looking through my grandfathers collection for the past six months and just got through the half way point of his collection on my spare time.
The coin looks like a normal (non-SMS) example.
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If you can find the person with the 1958 Kennedy half, we'll finally know who was on the grassy knoll.
Thank you Mark do you still think it’s worth getting graded?
The coin looks clean, so yes. Even as a 66 its worth the fees. Without better pics it has a shot at 67
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I was under the impression satin finished coins came from sand blasted dies. Here's an article claiming they have a satin finish. I have seen only one SMS coin personally, the nickel that was offered to me and for the longest time, I have always remembered it having a satin finish surfaces. Of course that
doesn't mean they all had this satin finish. That would be an assumption on my part. https://www.pcgs.com/News/1964-Special-Mint-Set-Coins
Leo
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So please quote me the part of the article that says "sand blasted dies"
I have bought and sold several of these sets and have examined many more thru QA Check and they are all similar with heavily polished dies. Yes nice with minimal or no bagmarks, but lots and lots id die polish lines. All the images on PCGS show the same
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Leothelyon if you look at my first image its a business strike look and see kinda reflective but vertical lines and on a different angle a matte smooth finish. Look at the reflection of my glove and light of my coin It’s different. I’m no professional photographer but it looks different. The crazy part is Heritage sold the Sp67 PCGS Specimen pictured above and looks way different from every pic you find on PCGS coin facts. Here’s my point if your making prototype coins why would they all look the same with the same identical Finish?
Leothelyon I just wanted you to know my reply wasn’t argumentative to your comment I’m agreeing with you.
Here's more of my guesswork; When they cut the Master Hubs for any kind of coin and before they impress the Master dies, they somehow use a process to remove all those circular cut lines so they don't appear on the final product of coins. Whether it's sand or diamond dust, I have no idea exactly what they use but those cut lines that are left on the hub by a lathe cutting tool bit are removed or diminished through some process. I have several coins with those lathe cutting lines displayed in my collection. The following 1939 T2 and a 1939-D T1 show those lathe marks and obviously showing whatever process they used, didn't remove those lines entirely and that these SMS coins are nothing more than EDS examples of coins.
Leo
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If you’d be getting it graded, based on it being a normal strike, my guess is that it might be worth it. I say that, because from what I can see in the images, the coin looks to be approximately MS66. If it grades less than that, the value would probably be less than the cost of grading and postage. And if it grades higher than 66, the cost would be justified. A grade of 66 would be about a push.
If you’d be be submitting it in order to determine if it’s an SMS example, then no.
Best of luck and enjoy the process.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
A “satin finish” is noticeably different from a “sandblast finish”. As just one example, look at the difference between satin/Roman finish Proof gold coins from 1909 and 1910 as compared to the sandblast/Matte finish pieces from 1911 through 1915.
The 1964 SMS coins have neither a sandblast finish nor a typical satin finish.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.