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eBay Mercury Dime 1916-D

If you're trying to hide the coin's grade, you're doing it wrong.

I have very little experience with PCGS slabs, but this seller isn't hiding much by ONLY hiding the "AG03" printed on the slab.
After all, the grade is right there at the start of the certificate number, and you can look the cert number up online and learn it's an AG3.

Now I must admin, this is a very good looking coin for an AG3. So rather than trying to hide the grade, crack it open and resubmit... especially if you're going to try to sell it for G4 money.

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to have a 21 that looked very similar to that one.

  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    Has was the 21 graded?
    I keep looking at the 16-D linked above, and I can't figure out why it didn't grade G6 or better.

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hookooekoo said:
    Has was the 21 graded?
    I keep looking at the 16-D linked above, and I can't figure out why it didn't grade G6 or better.

    No, it was raw. Conservatively I graded it a 4 when I sold it. Sometimes it's hard to tell from pictures what we might not be seeing. Or the grader might have been having an off day?

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the coin on Photograde as G6:

    Here is the one in the listing for comparison"

    You definitely make a good arguement for the grade! B)

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You might even argue that the reverse in the listing could even be an 8!

  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    At this level, it's generally the amount of rim wear into the lettering that makes the difference between AG2-G6.
    I've got a G6, and over all, I think this coin is better than mine.

  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    Here's some images of my G6 for a comparison

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see your point for sure. Maybe the scratches in front of and behind her head on that coin are more distracting in hand? Not sure. Yours is very nice though. No shame in owning that one! :)

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back of the other one:

  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭

    Isnt that listing against ebay rules for graded coins. I thought you must show the label if listing as graded?

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  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    @Hallco said:
    I can see your point for sure. Maybe the scratches in front of and behind her head on that coin are more distracting in hand?

    I don't think scratches would be it... if you look closely at the face of mine, there's a set of round scratches on the face from an old coin bank.

    Yours is very nice though. No shame in owning that one! :)

    Thanks. I've liked the otherwise clean look of the coin. I've seen lots of VG8-F15 that looked so bad, I wouldn't want to trade for them.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seller states that "it may have been cleaned in the past", which is not an enticing statement, so I doubt he "hid" the grade for nefarious reasons.

    It could be, as suggested, to try to get people to look at the coin, itself, for the value, versus the plastic grade...not sure why else he may do it, as he has other coins he is selling, including a raw 1916-D (for ~$30 more).

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't collect Mercury Dimes anymore, but when I did it was on opposite extremes...low grades from 3 to 12....or MS67! Lol! :D

  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    @CoinCrazyPA said:
    Isnt that listing against ebay rules for graded coins. I thought you must show the label if listing as graded?

    I did a quick search of eBay guide lines for selling coins and the only thing I could find was a statement that said graded coins with a value of $2,500 or more had to have a grade assigned to it.

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Geez !!! :s

    Timbuk3
  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinCrazyPA said:
    Isnt that listing against ebay rules for graded coins. I thought you must show the label if listing as graded?

    This is false, graded coins can be listed on eBay without pictures of slabs included at all.

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  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2018 7:06AM

    If you only look at the f> @FadeToBlack said:

    To those wondering, it's net graded for an old minor cleaning.

    Thanks for the feedback...

    The last time I was active here in the forum, it seemed that "officially" PCGS didn't do "Net" grades. But even back then, it seemed like an open secret that they unofficially didn't follow their own rules/policies when it came to high-priced key date coins such as the Mercury 1916-D. Now that I'm getting back into collecting, I'm seeing PCGS slabs with net grades and other additional descriptions.

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  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    They don't actually net grade and state it...

    You're right... I looked back as some of the recent PCGS slabs I've seen and what has changed is that they will list what is wrong with the coin and then list the "grade level" of the details: "PCGS Genuine, Cleaned - XF Details".

  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL that's funny.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would not even consider an ebay auction with the grade covered (Yes, I know, the number is there anyway on the cert number line)....obviously the seller did not know this... no need for such deception. Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coins may have been cleaned in the past. Sold as is. Please view pictures carefully before bidding.
    Liquidating all coins. No refunds please.

    i think ill pass for now, jmo

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sob. Mine's only a measly THREE! :'(

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Sob. Mine's only a measly THREE! :'(

    Yeah, but I bet the reverse rims are worn in though.

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