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If you consider that there are three distinct partnerships in Numismatics why do you think they don't function better to everyone's advantage?? Why do things tend to work so we end up as adversaries instead of partners??
Al H.
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1. Collector - Dealer
2. Collector - Collector
3. Dealer - Dealer
They don't function better due to this little thing called greed.
<< <i>Let me take a stab at this:
1. Collector - Dealer
2. Collector - Collector
3. Dealer - Dealer
They don't function better due to this little thing called greed. >>
Same explanation for a lot of broken stuff.
<< <i>Let me take a stab at this:
1. Collector - Dealer
2. Collector - Collector
3. Dealer - Dealer
They don't function better due to this little thing called greed. >>
It's the same with everything, really. Bread producers want to charge the most they can for their product while paying the least they can for the wheat, the labor, the taxes on their property, etc. Maximizing profits. At the same time, they can't charge $10 a loaf (yet) because no one would buy it at that price (yet).
the forum being a microcosm of life you don't have to look far to watch things fail. collectors will climb over each other to gain access or to own something, dealers will hold onto petty resentments to beat each other and collectors fail to understand the importance of forming a working relationship with at least one dealer or B&M to their own detriment.
<< <i>yes, Don, those are the three relationships.
the forum being a microcosm of life you don't have to look far to watch things fail. collectors will climb over each other to gain access or to own something, dealers will hold onto petty resentments to beat each other and collectors fail to understand the importance of forming a working relationship with at least one dealer or B&M to their own detriment. >>
Cynical?
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<< <i>well, John, is it shallow enough for you to pose an answer or a suggestion as to how collectors and dealers can reach a better understanding between themselves?? the last two replies are interesting to me considering the general tone here which seems to be tentative at best with little discussion. posting something for discussion is pretty pointless anymore. >>
Forgive me for being on my iPhone and posting a brief response.
I just don't see things the way that you characterize them in this response:
<< <i>the forum being a microcosm of life you don't have to look far to watch things fail. collectors will climb over each other to gain access or to own something, dealers will hold onto petty resentments to beat each other and collectors fail to understand the importance of forming a working relationship with at least one dealer or B&M to their own detriment. >>
1) I enjoy competition. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It makes the hobby much more enjoyable to compete with other like minded collectors. It is not personal as you portray it to be. I will actively try and buy a coin that I want and I hope others do the same, its good for the hobby.
2) I have a great working relationship with a dealer in my primary area of focus. Some people may choose to "wing it". This has always been the case. Some folks pursue their interests methodically and with purpose, others flounder about and squander their money. Nothing new here.
3) Coin dealers holding grudges seems like a broad characterization. I would imagine that any other self-employed and directly competitive business model would foster similar competition and sometimes open dislike. Again, nothing new here.
Your comments make it seem like you think everyone is out to get everyone else. I have enjoyed the relationships that I have made in the hobby.
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As to the OP's three groups, maybe I don't see it with such a pessimistic viewpoint. Almost all of my encounters and dealings have been positive, and hopefully beneficial to both parties.
Dealer-dealer. By definition this is a competitive relationship. Competition fosters competence and tends to lower prices. This is not all bad.
Dealer-collector. Seems pretty symbiotic to me. If this becomes adversarial, simply shop somewhere else.
Collector-collector. Of everything, these relationships can and should be the most gratifying part of the hobby.
Dishonesty, greed, and selfishness are the downfall of many human enterprises, not just in numismatics.
by your response I think you agree with me at least in part, you understand how important it is to work with a dealer, many don't and they say as much. I'm wondering why they don't see the advantages. to the point of collector vs. collector you don't have to look past this site to understand how tenuous that sometimes is. events of the past week show that many here really don't like each other and it's been that way since I first joined. in that sense it seems way, way worse than the "real world" where people have to face each other.
I'm not looking for an argument, I'm more curious about why things happen like they do. perhaps it is the anonymity that goes with the internet.
I miss my retired dealer. The only dealer I've actually had a friendly and working relationship with.
I was always relaxed and felt like I my best interest was being looked after. And it was.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
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<< <i>I'm not looking for an argument, I'm more curious about why things happen like they do. perhaps it is the anonymity that goes with the internet. >>
This seems to be a thinly disguised dealer whine thread.
My advice as a collector: charge less and see what happens to the tone of your relationships.
<< <i>If you consider that there are three distinct partnerships in Numismatics why do you think they don't function better to everyone's advantage?? Why do things tend to work so we end up as adversaries instead of partners??
Al H. >>
1. IF , the longest word in the world.
2. Those distinctions are : (I'm guessing)
a. Mentor to Student
b. Dealer to Collector
c. TPG to Dealer
3. They work together in those partnerships as they cross over. People wear different hats.
Complexities abound. That is all.
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did he act as a mentor, also?? the first dealer I ever interacted with owned a small hole in the wall about five miles away, well within bike distance. he passed away almost 30 years ago and the other dealers still mention his name from time-to-time. believe it or not there are still coins floating around in his flips with the old store phone number!!
Someone offers a coin.....
Someone accepts the offer with cash.
No problem!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Now diversity doesn't always translate into conflict. It is, after all, the spice of life. The point is that you will always encounter people of varying opinions with their own set of ethics. Some are willing to be tolerant of others' points of view while some simply won't have it.
I apologize for getting a bit off-topic, but I feel that this is at the basis of something that is so very subjective as coin collecting and dealing in coins. It's a very personal thing and nobody likes to be wrong. We've all made mistakes of varying degrees, but do we really want them pointed out. A dealer says "A"', collector says "B"' and then the dealer/collector says "C". Sometimes people don't really want to be helped. They may just want to believe what it is they believe and to heck with the rest of the world.
I have learned a lot of things about about coins and people since I've been here and I'm still learning.