Gambled On A Raw 1881-S Morgan

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 7:51AM

I almost never buy raw unless I'm buying at the silver value but I really thought this Morgan looked good and the price was right. Found it in a little antique shop in New England where I'm on vacation. It's not my series so I hope I didn't overpay! What do you guys think this grades at?

lasvegasteddy · July 23, 2012 7:56AM

at melt...looks nice even if for a 7070...

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 7:58AM

Yeah I had a feeling she was cleaned. Story of my life

lasvegasteddy · July 23, 2012 8:06AM

<< Yeah I had a feeling she was cleaned. Story of my life

>>

not necessarily so...just hard to tell from image
pretty looking melt purchase i swear

WTCG · July 23, 2012 8:13AM

I can't tell for sure if the streaks on the face are scratches, toning or remnants of a fingerprint but the coin looks nice to me.

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 8:17AM

<< I can't tell for sure if the streaks on the face are scratches, toning or remnants of a fingerprint but the coin looks nice to me. >>

It looks like a fingerprint to me. There's no scratches on the face

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 8:18AM

So you think it's original? It's always hard for me to tell on these coins that are more proof-like. Have a difficult time discerning between over-dipped or not. Care to venture a guess on a grade?

mkman123 · July 23, 2012 8:21AM

looks like a nice coin, no real scratches or anything. I wonder if it was dipped but not dipped right hence those lines. If it does grade, maybe 64-65? Has muted luster though

Buzzybest · July 23, 2012 8:24AM

If you have any other coins to submit with it to reduce grading and shipping costs,please do, and let us know the results.

AUandAG · July 23, 2012 8:29AM

I like it. Just the wrong mint mark! Probably a nice 65 IMHO.

bob

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 8:31AM

<< I like it. Just the wrong mint mark! Probably a nice 65 IMHO.

bob

>>

Bob one day I'll own a nice CC Morgan!

I do plan on submitting this one. Hoping for a 65 personally and that's what I thought it was when I bought it. Paid $70.

Crazy4Coins · July 23, 2012 8:33AM

I don't see anything that indicates it has been cleaned, other than a possible dip.

Based on what I can see from the images, I'd say you have a 65 there, and quite possibly a 66. Really depends on how much of that haze is on the coin flip.

If you paid close to silver value, then you did real good.

lasvegasteddy · July 23, 2012 8:37AM

"I do plan on submitting this one. Hoping for a 65 personally and that's what I thought it was when I bought it. Paid $70."
best education going
always nice too...to have you're own examples for a per se "grading reference" and what's acceptable
i too concur
65/66 is not out the question
halo's around stars are a lil concern...but that's all...a lil concern...images are not prime to truly guess from...

nice...very nice example

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 8:41AM

Thanks guys. Ever since I bought a couple fake Seated Dollars a couple years ago when I first got rolling I've completely avoided raw coins unless I was buying them at melt. This was the first step in what will prove to be a very long process

LanceNewmanOCC · July 23, 2012 8:52AM

<< Thanks guys. Ever since I bought a couple fake Seated Dollars a couple years ago when I first got rolling I've completely avoided raw coins unless I was buying them at melt. This was the first step in what will prove to be a very long process

>>

i highly recommend people spend some time in my counterfeit thread

i've been into numismatics less than 3 years and 95% of the coins i've bought are raw, and i've bought thousands and would be surprised to learn if more than 2 were altered/counterfeit, so if i can buy raw coins successfullly, anyone can. it is a simple matter of getting out what you put in.

sowwy for the off-topic OP. images are too poor to accurately guess but it sure looks like it has promise
.

mbogoman · July 23, 2012 9:05AM

<< halo's around stars are a lil concern...but that's all...a lil concern...images are not prime to truly guess from... nice...very nice example >>

That's what I saw, too. Those little halos don't come naturally...

morgansforever · July 23, 2012 9:18AM

If you bought it for melt, there is nothing to worry about. Very nice coin.

Timbuk3 · July 23, 2012 9:21AM

Dipped, 65 net !!!

Justlooking · July 23, 2012 9:41AM

I'd say dipped. The obverse looks hazy ... dead giveaway. Bad rinse job?

Wonder what kind of patina it had that the previous owner found objectionable? We can only guess ...

Banemorth · July 23, 2012 9:42AM

I agree it has been dipped but the question is will it grade? It has begun to retone a lovely red color around the edges which I find very pleasant. I plan to give it a quick acetone bath and a good rinse before sending it out.

Justlooking · July 23, 2012 9:45AM

Love to see the post-bath photo. I think it could go 65.

JJM · July 24, 2012 12:28AM

64+, shot at 65 if it hasnt been cleaned

Treashunt · July 25, 2012 9:50PM

no opinions in the plastic.

Try new pix outside the holder

lcoopie · July 25, 2012 10:00PM

I am wondering if it has PVC ?

rld14 · July 26, 2012 9:33AM

Technically it ought to 65 from the pics I am seeing.

Nothing wrong with buying raw coins, I must have made close to half the coins in my Barber half set (VF-XF) and I think that I had a what, 95% success rate with grading them?

Banemorth · July 26, 2012 9:59AM

I went back to the same shop today and bought a bunch more coins

I am going to do something a little different I'll make a video and post it on YouTube so you guys can more easily see the coins. It'll be educational AND fun! Once I get home from Vacation that is. Thanks again for all the kind words and help!

MICHAELDIXON · July 26, 2012 10:01AM

I don't see a dipped coin. I see a coin that needs to be photographed outside the holder. Looks 65 to me.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 26, 2012 10:04AM

San Francisco minted a lot of great Morgans in 1881. It's not difficult to find nice specimens in this year.

CEOcoinshopcom · July 26, 2012 10:18AM

Looks like you have a shot!!!!!
Good luck.

Gambled On A Raw 1881-S Morgan

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