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BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 6, 2020 11:10AM in U.S. Coin Forum
Started this type set 35 years ago, down to the last few holes, here is one of them

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looks like one fewer opening now, this is the album coin I've been looking for for a while
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The heavy die cracks identify it as JR-6, the second most common marriage of the 6 (or is it 7?) for this first year of United States dimes, representing about 30% of survivors, according to one source. Care to guess the grade?

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    cograts on filling yet another one of those tuff holes...image
    i'd be a happy enough camper with that.
    you even have almost all wing details there
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭

    wow, I'm glad I picked the Dansco 7070 instead of the Whitman Type Album. Those are some tough holes to fill.

    Congrats on the pickup. That looks like a really nice coin from here and will fit well in that album.
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Awesome looking 1796 image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,429 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would grade your coin as a Good-4. The date is strong and all of the obverse design is outlined. There is a bit of wear on the "UNITED" on the reverse, but these coins did not have a protective rim to preserve those letters, so I'd cut it some slack.

    Not to upset you, but the half dime of this type is tougher especially as a evenly worn, undamaged piece. If there is hole in your album for that one, you will be looking for a while.
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>wow, I'm glad I picked the Dansco 7070 instead of the Whitman Type Album. Those are some tough holes to fill.

    Congrats on the pickup. That looks like a really nice coin from here and will fit well in that album. >>




    You should see the half cent & large cent page.

    Baley, that is a beautiful coin, congrats on the acquisition. It makes me giddy to know that you are putting it into an old album like that, just make sure to save the inserts from the TPG holder. image


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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You should see the half cent & large cent page.

    And the half dimes, quarters and half dollars ... LOL image



    Congrat's Baley ... image ... looking good!



    I'm working with the same album(s) ... although mine has a bit father to go.


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  • morbidstevemorbidsteve Posts: 572 ✭✭✭
    I'm going to start mine soon too.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks guys! I am excited to finally have an example of this type, it's another one that was really hard to find at the intersection of "acceptable looking" and "affordable"... since I'm getting this one to see the date and the Small Eagle, any coin with the date or eagle worn off was not up for consideration. Also desired a full LIBERTY and all 15 stars, and was willing to sacrifice some of the letters of the legend on the reverse. UNITED S appears to be weak because of the die crack from the wing to the rim, just above the S

    here is a link to an older thread about the Whitman 2-volume type set album project

    New additions will be few and far between, and there are still a couple of Gallery Mint reproductions left to replace, but it was nice to finish this page

    Bill, for the small eagle half dime, I found this piece with great detail and outstanding surfaces for the type (most of these are beat to hell)

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    the contemporary hole saved me about 85% off the price of a problem-free Fine-15 coin. That was a four thousand dollar B!

    edit: ironically, without the hole, the coin most likely would have been lost to circulation or melting, or if not, would certainly be in someone else's collection...
    who else has a 1797 thirteen star half dime? there are fewer than 100 left in any condition, aren't there? By some estimates, fewer than 50

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭

    wow, they sure don't make it hard with the Chain Cent, Flowing Hair Half Dime, Sm. Eagle Half Dime, 1796 Quarter, and the 1796/97 Half Dollar do they!!?!?!?!?!!?! Holy crud!

    That is going to be a great set when complete!
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,429 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>who else has a 1797 thirteen star half dime? >>



    I do. image I've been collecting early half dimes by Red Book variety since the mid 1970s. I bought this one off the Worthy Coin bid wall which was in Boston, Massachusetts back in the mid 1980s. And yes it is a very scarce coin although it's not the rarest Red Book variety. The honor goes to the 1803 small date half dime, which is actually rarer than the 1802. image

    imageimage
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  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Congrats on the Dime! I've been going at a Library of Coins 2 book type album and its full of holes, oh well at least the album is in nice conditionimage

    I bet one of your other holes is the 1796 quarter. I think thats gonna be the hardest one for me to fill if I ever do.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep here are photos of two other pages... check back here in 25 or 35 more years to see those GM replicas replaced with "the real thing"

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    image

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  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    I want to see all the pages!image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,429 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yep here are photos of two other pages... check back here in 25 or 35 more years to see those GM replicas replaced with "the real thing"

    image

    image >>



    The 1796-7 half dollar hole is BY FAR the toughest. I too had a GM (Gallery Mint) piece for that hole, but it's kind of like "kissing your sister." It does not feel "sexy." The worst example of that coin I have ever seen had Fair sharpness, had been polished and was holed to complete the "tri-fecta." That did not stop the dealer from asked $8,500 for it. image Sadly with that coin, even major problems don't reduce the price by that much.
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  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    I always knew that my obsession with the Dansco 7070 would eventually lead me down that very expensive 18th century road. And with my 7070 near completion after 15 years, it only just begins the real work.
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I want to see all the pages!image >>



    the link above has most of them, when I put this dime in, I'll take all new pictures; some of the coins have been changed since those old pictures

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  • HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin, Baley. Nice set. I agree with Bill. An easy Good. I would really like to find one like that with a hole in it. Only 35 years.
  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Well baley Inow know someone that has a ms60 1796 quarter in an old accugrade holder whats the chances that would pop out of the wood work today considering we talking about that hard to fill hole today.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2021 2:03PM
    Well Michiganboy, we'd like to see a picture of the 1796 quarter in the accugrade MS60 holder, if you can show one.

    I'd like to get a decent g-vg coin for that spot someday, or even better, one with a little more detail (say, Fine details) with minor problem(s) that net it to AG-G in price.

    For an album like this, there's no way I'm cracking out and installing a nice slabbed coin that has any risk associated with not being in a protective holder.

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, here are some bigger pictures of the coin

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    Having second thoughts about breaking out the 1796 dime...

    here is an approximation of what this would look like in the album..

    image

    or should I leave it in the holder and get (some) of the other coins slabbed too? leave everything as-is? or go ahead and cracker out?

    what would you do??

    I'm on the fence.

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd crack it and put it in the album, but then you're getting this from someone who cracked a 1922 Plain from an old ANACS holder for his Lincoln date set, so please help yourself to some salt.


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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭

    If you're going to keep it for a while, crack it, it will look nice in that album. That particular coin is what it is no matter if it's in a holder or not.

    Just make sure to properly document and educate your benificiaries on the particulars of that set being that it's raw.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BillJones

    The 1796-7 half dollar hole is BY FAR the toughest. I too had a GM (Gallery Mint) piece for that hole, but it's kind of like "kissing your sister." It does not feel "sexy."




    Bill, i don't find having the replicas in the impossible spaces to be like kissing my sister,



    more like getting a lap dance image

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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Baley, nice type set. I agree with Bill Jones, your new 1796 dime is IMO a Good.



    Good luck finding the remaining coins for the set! The GMM replicas fill in the holes well for now.



    BTW, a large coin store in a big city had one of these type sets in their front window.

    I asked them weren't they worried someone would break the window some night and take the set?

    They said most of the coins in the set were GMM replicas!

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,429 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Baley
    Originally posted by: BillJones
    The 1796-7 half dollar hole is BY FAR the toughest. I too had a GM (Gallery Mint) piece for that hole, but it's kind of like "kissing your sister." It does not feel "sexy."


    Bill, i don't find having the replicas in the impossible spaces to be like kissing my sister,

    more like getting a lap dance image


    Yea, but you have to admit that the scene from Showgirls, the film, was pretty hot. image
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