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Casman posted a thread about someone who backed out of a deal in the BST.
It was me. I backed out. And Casman was 100% right for being upset.
He and I have been messaging back and forth and are working it out. He has been very good, and I am going to do my best to honor this deal.
Since everyone seems to have very strong opinions with only knowing one side of the story, I'd like a few words in from my side if that's OK.
First of all, I have many positive transactions on the BST (all positive, and many high dollar items), and I know that many members here can attest to that.
In this particular situation I was selling a coin that I did not know the value of at all (which I should never have done). I had some offers, and me and casman decided on a price. (which I later found out was a lot lower than what the secondary market was for the coin...which doesn't matter....just my thought process).
People always attack me because I buy/sell coins for my dad on here. He does not do the forum thing at all, so I do things for him. And this has gotten me a lot of crap here. (I will no longer do anything for him on here). He had wanted the coin I had for sale and expressed this after I made the deal with Casman. So I explained to Casman, and we ended the deal. Within minutes I refunded the money, and for some reason on his end paypal is holding it. (He and I are both working on this because I have proof on my end that the money was cleared from me).
After this, Casman told me the real value of the coin, and I mistakenly told my Dad. Well, at that point he (my dad) had bought it from me for the issue price. Three days later (today) he told me to put it on ebay and told me to try and get the price Casman had said. That's what I did. I had recently changed my ebay name, but that had nothing to do with this.
We both (me/my dad and casman) were trying to make as much as we could off of the same coin...which I think anyone here can attest to. I definitely didn't go about it the right way and I am admitting to that and doing what I can to fix it.
I misinterpreted the information about the value of the coin that Casman was giving me after the sale was cancelled, and honestly didn't think twice about putting it on ebay for my dad.
Whether people here think I'm making up a story about my dad or not...doesn't really matter. That's the truth, and I want it out there since the main thread on this is unnecessarily turning into a weird gossip column and everyone is getting upset. I understand that a lot of people wanted to know who it was so they wouldn't get "screwed", and I agree. I wouldn't want that done to me either. But I have a lot to back myself up as far as honesty goes on this board and transactions.
I'm putting myself out there and admitting to the mistake. The members can take that as they please...I'm an honest guy, and not responding to all this would just confirm otherwise.
As far as paypal gift goes, most sellers here, included the moderators, accept it as a form of payment. It helps the buyer as well as the seller...and in my listing I had 3 options for payment, so that shouldn't be a topic of hate here...
Feel free to PM me about this or ask for references.
Everyone makes mistakes.
It was me. I backed out. And Casman was 100% right for being upset.
He and I have been messaging back and forth and are working it out. He has been very good, and I am going to do my best to honor this deal.
Since everyone seems to have very strong opinions with only knowing one side of the story, I'd like a few words in from my side if that's OK.
First of all, I have many positive transactions on the BST (all positive, and many high dollar items), and I know that many members here can attest to that.
In this particular situation I was selling a coin that I did not know the value of at all (which I should never have done). I had some offers, and me and casman decided on a price. (which I later found out was a lot lower than what the secondary market was for the coin...which doesn't matter....just my thought process).
People always attack me because I buy/sell coins for my dad on here. He does not do the forum thing at all, so I do things for him. And this has gotten me a lot of crap here. (I will no longer do anything for him on here). He had wanted the coin I had for sale and expressed this after I made the deal with Casman. So I explained to Casman, and we ended the deal. Within minutes I refunded the money, and for some reason on his end paypal is holding it. (He and I are both working on this because I have proof on my end that the money was cleared from me).
After this, Casman told me the real value of the coin, and I mistakenly told my Dad. Well, at that point he (my dad) had bought it from me for the issue price. Three days later (today) he told me to put it on ebay and told me to try and get the price Casman had said. That's what I did. I had recently changed my ebay name, but that had nothing to do with this.
We both (me/my dad and casman) were trying to make as much as we could off of the same coin...which I think anyone here can attest to. I definitely didn't go about it the right way and I am admitting to that and doing what I can to fix it.
I misinterpreted the information about the value of the coin that Casman was giving me after the sale was cancelled, and honestly didn't think twice about putting it on ebay for my dad.
Whether people here think I'm making up a story about my dad or not...doesn't really matter. That's the truth, and I want it out there since the main thread on this is unnecessarily turning into a weird gossip column and everyone is getting upset. I understand that a lot of people wanted to know who it was so they wouldn't get "screwed", and I agree. I wouldn't want that done to me either. But I have a lot to back myself up as far as honesty goes on this board and transactions.
I'm putting myself out there and admitting to the mistake. The members can take that as they please...I'm an honest guy, and not responding to all this would just confirm otherwise.
As far as paypal gift goes, most sellers here, included the moderators, accept it as a form of payment. It helps the buyer as well as the seller...and in my listing I had 3 options for payment, so that shouldn't be a topic of hate here...
Feel free to PM me about this or ask for references.
Everyone makes mistakes.
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Just kidding. It was very brave of you to post this, and I think you handled a bad situation as best you could, so kudos.
Can't we all just get along?
-Paul
coin, you or your father? If it was you, the fact that your father wanted it after you had agreed to sell it
really should have resulted in your telling your father it was no longer available, IMO.
<< <i>I applaud you for coming forward. However, something still smells a bit funny here. Who was the owner of the
coin, you or your father? If it was you, the fact that your father wanted it after you had agreed to sell it
really should have resulted in your telling your father it was no longer available, IMO. >>
I agree. That was my first mistake.
I am close with my Dad, and that gets in the way sometimes. He shouldn't have gotten priority, especially in that situation.
I 100% agree with you. I should have told him no.
<< <i>Comma,
it takes guts to man up.
But I do have a question, how old are you? >>
I'm 22
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<< <i>Comma,
it takes guts to man up.
But I do have a question, how old are you? >>
I'm 22 >>
Interesting, so am I!
-Paul
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
In any way - thanks for stepping up
<< <i>Out of curiosity what is the price difference between agreed price and real price? At least the order - hundreds, thousands?
In any way - thanks for stepping up >>
It was significant (ill leave it at that), but my fault for not doing enough research I guess.
<< <i>I also applaud you for coming forward. Just wondering how your dad feels about this issue? It's kinda making tough for you, yes? >>
Yes. Something similar happened with the 25th anniversary sets.
I told him that he's going to have to make his own account or not be a part of online coins...and he agreed after reading all this...
But once again, I definitely was the one in the wrong here, regardless. Not being 100% honest to casman was something I shouldn't have done.
<< <i>If you don't know what price you should sell something for, do more 'homework' before selling it, or DON'T SELL IT until you know better. >>
I agree. I learned my lesson...
* You are 22. Time to take personal responsibility when it comes to selling. Whether it is for yourself or another. This incident is too similar to pre-selling 25th annv sets "for others" and then having "them" bail out and you needing to cancel. No one is in your mind, no one is living your life with you. We can only see your actions and words from our side of the fence here. Right now, that isn't a great view, imho.
* Paypal gift. It doesn't matter who does what and referring to them. It matters what YOU do and how things happen with you! If others decide to drink and drive, and then you do and get in an accident, do you think it really matters to anyone else that you point fingers at others and say "well, they are doing it too!"? Again, take personal responsibility. Cutting corners is YOUR choice. No one is forcing it. Man up when mistakes happen from cutting the corners and don't try to point the focus on anyone else.
* Does your father know what is happening to your reputation as a result of the actions taken? With the 25th annv set pre-sale (that didn't happen) and now this? Many of us sell for friends/family but don't have this problem because we set expectations from the onset. Be upfront in discussions and say "this is for someone else, but I will make it happen as far as I can" so someone can decide NOT to do the deal if they find that wonky. Also, tell your side of the sale "once I list this, it is sold/gone, and I can't get it back unless it is returned, so be certain".
* Not thinking twice about putting it up on ebay after screwing Casman over.....a "done deal" that was undone and he didn't even get a chance at it? Imho, it should have gone to Casman and you should have eaten any difference in the price that you had promised to your father. That would have hurt but it would have been the responsible thing to do.
Money is a good thing. Making profits is great. Being too greedy, and trying to squeeze every last bit out of something is, and has, going to bite someone in their butt.....
This forum has seen a few "honest guys" that sell just fine....then, some "weird" things have happened, and next thing you know, these "honest guys" have ripped off people for hundreds, thousands of dollars.
I've done deals with forum members for a few bucks up to many bucks.....I feel for Casman on this
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>the fact that you are stepping up and admitting you were wrong imo will go a long way. young men such as your self sometimes take the easy way out. hopefully it will all work out for the three of you somehow >>
What he said.
And just as a side note, try to use, "He and I" rather than, "Me and him". Sorry, it's just like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
<< <i>Couple of things that may help moving forward, but I still see a few red flags...
* You are 22. Time to take personal responsibility when it comes to selling. Whether it is for yourself or another. This incident is too similar to pre-selling 25th annv sets "for others" and then having "them" bail out and you needing to cancel. No one is in your mind, no one is living your life with you. We can only see your actions and words from our side of the fence here. Right now, that isn't a great view, imho.
* Paypal gift. It doesn't matter who does what and referring to them. It matters what YOU do and how things happen with you! If others decide to drink and drive, and then you do and get in an accident, do you think it really matters to anyone else that you point fingers at others and say "well, they are doing it too!"? Again, take personal responsibility. Cutting corners is YOUR choice. No one is forcing it. Man up when mistakes happen from cutting the corners and don't try to point the focus on anyone else.
* Does your father know what is happening to your reputation as a result of the actions taken? With the 25th annv set pre-sale (that didn't happen) and now this? Many of us sell for friends/family but don't have this problem because we set expectations from the onset. Be upfront in discussions and say "this is for someone else, but I will make it happen as far as I can" so someone can decide NOT to do the deal if they find that wonky. Also, tell your side of the sale "once I list this, it is sold/gone, and I can't get it back unless it is returned, so be certain".
* Not thinking twice about putting it up on ebay after screwing Casman over.....a "done deal" that was undone and he didn't even get a chance at it? Imho, it should have gone to Casman and you should have eaten any difference in the price that you had promised to your father. That would have hurt but it would have been the responsible thing to do.
Money is a good thing. Making profits is great. Being too greedy, and trying to squeeze every last bit out of something is, and has, going to bite someone in their butt.....
This forum has seen a few "honest guys" that sell just fine....then, some "weird" things have happened, and next thing you know, these "honest guys" have ripped off people for hundreds, thousands of dollars.
I've done deals with forum members for a few bucks up to many bucks.....I feel for Casman on this >>
I've referenced a few of these things already, but,
I know. I won't be doing things for my dad on here anymore. Yes, you're right. This also happened with a 25th set. I should have learned then, but I didn't. Trust me, that's the end. He didn't realize what was happening to my reputation until I emailed him the thread earlier.
I wasn't viewing myself as "screwing casman over". He had given me information on resell and ebay on this particular coin and me and my dad interpreted it wrong. I didn't realize that was the way casman felt until I read his thread.
It wasn't a greed thing, but I did want to sell it for what it was worth in the secondary market...and once again, my fault for not recognizing what that was.
I am being honest here to hopefully show members that I'm not the guy who is going rip anyone off...Also, ultimately what happened between me and casman wasn't me ripping him off for any amount of money...his money was refunded immediately. Paypal is holding it (I'm assuming) because he used a CC. I would never try and rip anybody off.
Yes, I should not have backed out of the deal. But that is different than stealing hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Just trying to get out of the hole I know I dug. That's all.
<< <i>I had the OP pegged when he arrived, and there was no chance that I was going to be interacting with him, let alone transacting with him. Therefore, I cannot say that with the exception of providing some entertainment in the form of a whodunnit, nothing has changed for me. >>
I'd like a PM of an explanation of this...
Everyone in this business gets cherry picked! I can't tell you how many times I have been and it doesn't bother me 1 bit! I made money and the cherry picker made money. He earned the right because he took the time to learn and had the experience. If I'm worried about the last dime or dollar as the case may be here then it is on me to do due diligence and learn what needs to be learned! Ya either turn and burn as you seemed to be doing or hold it until you know where to price it.
I have a dealer to this day that will not do business with me...and I will share the story why. I was set up next to him at a show. He offered a 1794 1/2 dime to someone at what looked like a good price. The buyer refused and I asked to see the coin. I bought the coin for what he offered it to across the table. Yeah...I got a good deal...LOL....but he is a dealer! Was I wrong to pay his retail price????
The moral of my story is this....A reputation is a very difficult thing to earn in this business and very difficult to maintain. This transaction will kill your word so to speak. Was it worth the mark against your reputation????
Looks like I missed a bunch while I was writing this...don't like to beat a dead horse but I will let my post stand.
<< <i>Here is my 2 cents into this is this!
Everyone in this business gets cherry picked! I can't tell you how many times I have been and it doesn't bother me 1 bit! I made money and the cherry picker made money. He earned the right because he took the time to learn and had the experience. If I'm worried about the last dime or dollar as the case may be here then it is on me to do due diligence and learn what needs to be learned! Ya either turn and burn as you seemed to be doing or hold it until you know where to price it.
I have a dealer to this day that will not do business with me...and I will share the story why. I was set up next to him at a show. He offered a 1794 1/2 dime to someone at what looked like a good price. The buyer refused and I asked to see the coin. I bought the coin for what he offered it to across the table. Yeah...I got a good deal...LOL....but he is a dealer! Was I wrong to pay his retail price????
The moral of my story is this....A reputation is a very difficult thing to earn in this business and very difficult to maintain. This transaction will kill your word so to speak. Was it worth the mark against your reputation???? >>
This is very true.
It wasn't worth the mark, no. But at the time I didn't see what was going on (I will from this point on).
However, I felt like not saying anything was hurting my reputation even more.
Trying my best. There is nothing else I can really do at this point.
Thanks for the reply!
I wasn't viewing myself as "screwing casman over". He had given me information on resell and ebay on this particular coin and me and my dad interpreted it wrong. I didn't realize that was the way casman felt until I read his thread.
It wasn't a greed thing, but I did want to sell it for what it was worth in the secondary market...and once again, my fault for not recognizing what that was. "
You kind of had me right up to your statement (in bold).
Then you lost me.
Of course it was greed.
You're 'owning' about 70% of what you did. It is the other 30% that is disturbing and leaves your reputation in balance.
peacockcoins
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<< <i>Here is my 2 cents into this is this!
Everyone in this business gets cherry picked! I can't tell you how many times I have been and it doesn't bother me 1 bit! I made money and the cherry picker made money. He earned the right because he took the time to learn and had the experience. If I'm worried about the last dime or dollar as the case may be here then it is on me to do due diligence and learn what needs to be learned! Ya either turn and burn as you seemed to be doing or hold it until you know where to price it.
I have a dealer to this day that will not do business with me...and I will share the story why. I was set up next to him at a show. He offered a 1794 1/2 dime to someone at what looked like a good price. The buyer refused and I asked to see the coin. I bought the coin for what he offered it to across the table. Yeah...I got a good deal...LOL....but he is a dealer! Was I wrong to pay his retail price????
The moral of my story is this....A reputation is a very difficult thing to earn in this business and very difficult to maintain. This transaction will kill your word so to speak. Was it worth the mark against your reputation???? >>
This is very true.
It wasn't worth the mark, no. But at the time I didn't see what was going on (I will from this point on).
However, I felt like not saying anything was hurting my reputation even more.
Trying my best. There is nothing else I can really do at this point.
Thanks for the reply! >>
Without a doubt you have done the only right thing you could have done here given the situation you placed yourself in. Takes a man to admit his mistakes. You have learned a valuable lesson and I am sure your response to this will reward you in the future. There are quite a few in this business that could learn what you have learned at your age....BUT!
<< <i>"I know. I won't be doing things for my dad on here anymore. Yes, you're right. This also happened with a 25th set. I should have learned then, but I didn't. Trust me, that's the end. He didn't realize what was happening to my reputation until I emailed him the thread earlier.
I wasn't viewing myself as "screwing casman over". He had given me information on resell and ebay on this particular coin and me and my dad interpreted it wrong. I didn't realize that was the way casman felt until I read his thread.
It wasn't a greed thing, but I did want to sell it for what it was worth in the secondary market...and once again, my fault for not recognizing what that was. "
You kind of had me right up to your statement (in bold).
Then you lost me.
Of course it was greed.
You're 'owning' about 70% of what you did. It is the other 30% that is disturbing and leaves your reputation in balance. >>
It wasn't greed because ultimately the coin wasn't even in my hands. I had given it to my dad.
He wanted to put it on ebay for what I was told was the value in the secondary market...asking the asking price for a coin doesn't seem like greed.
I'm not trying to say what I did was right...but greed isn't what made all this happen.
<< <i>And just as a side note, try to use, "He and I" rather than, "Me and him". Sorry, it's just like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. >>
You and "me" have the same hearing issues...
mbogoman
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<< <i>I had the OP pegged when he arrived, and there was no chance that I was going to be interacting with him, let alone transacting with him. Therefore, I cannot say that with the exception of providing some entertainment in the form of a whodunnit, nothing has changed for me. >>
I'd like a PM of an explanation of this... >>
Just FYI that I know of no one who Casman told that it was you, but I know of quite a few folks who had it pegged as you from the beginning.
Whether you realize it or not, you have a reputation with the folks that have been here awhile and watch things pretty closely...and not in a good way.
Also, for whatever reason, it really isn't a good thing to change your forumID part way in. You changed from "unbrok3n" to "comma" and said it was because you wanted a new ID rather than one you had had since you were a kid. There are only a few reasons to change IDs that wouldn't elicit a raised eyebrow.....that isn't really one of them unless there were problems with it.
At 22, you have a long life ahead of you. You should learn to sit back and watch/learn. Instead, it seems you are trying to drive 125mph in a 25mph zone. When that happens, things happen.
Look at what happened with the "$2000" peace dollar issue last year (or whatever amount it was). It was sent to a forum member, they disagreed with the price and tried to jack it down...then, when told to return it, they "insured" it for what THEY thought it was worth (not what the seller had valued it as). Then it was lost in the mail and the seller was screwed.....he got too vocal about it on the boards and was banned, but, I know I would rather deal with that seller than the buyer on these boards anyday.
That buyer, and his way of voicing his side, alienated a number of folks.....I guess if one figures there are always new sheep to fleece, then one may not care, but to many of us, our reputations and our own morals, are priority from day 1.....not just after something happens that could have been easily prevented.
Live. Learn. Learn to let things move forward
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
As for RYK's comment, I'll second that. I actually thought, for a while, it was an undesirable former member that came up with yet another alt. Everyone deserves a seond chance, but I don't think your's will come for some time. The original price should be honored, and if free shipping wasn't offered, it should be now...it's the VERY least you could do...and don't forget to spring for delivery confirm and insurance.....and I certainly wouldn't use 'gifting' on it this time.
With that said, I still feel like I'm in Legal Seafoods.
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<< <i>"I know. I won't be doing things for my dad on here anymore. Yes, you're right. This also happened with a 25th set. I should have learned then, but I didn't. Trust me, that's the end. He didn't realize what was happening to my reputation until I emailed him the thread earlier.
I wasn't viewing myself as "screwing casman over". He had given me information on resell and ebay on this particular coin and me and my dad interpreted it wrong. I didn't realize that was the way casman felt until I read his thread.
It wasn't a greed thing, but I did want to sell it for what it was worth in the secondary market...and once again, my fault for not recognizing what that was. "
You kind of had me right up to your statement (in bold).
Then you lost me.
Of course it was greed.
You're 'owning' about 70% of what you did. It is the other 30% that is disturbing and leaves your reputation in balance. >>
It wasn't greed because ultimately the coin wasn't even in my hands. I had given it to my dad.
He wanted to put it on ebay for what I was told was the value in the secondary market...asking the asking price for a coin doesn't seem like greed.
I'm not trying to say what I did was right...but greed isn't what made all this happen. >>
What I would like to see come out of this is for a young irresponsible man to become an honest responsible do the righ thing man . He is getting there, he did that my coming on here and admitting what he did and taking the heat. And Braddick is right, 30% to go and that is:
don't blame it on your father forgetting the fact that he isn't here to take the heat. You have to take responsibility for your actions and can never blame another for telling you to an unethical act.
don't shy away from admitting what this is really all about, it is about greed, it is about going after as much money as you can possibly get any way you can get it, which again is unethical.
don't shy away from admitting you are being unethical when it comes to dealing with paypal, It doesn't matter how big and bad they are, they could have been a buyer here, you do it to one you are then capable of doing it to others.
Meet these matters head on and you will be a better businessMAN for it. I am hoping you will. >>
I agree. And I want to learn from this too...
I wasn't trying to blame my dad...I know this is my fault. It's my fault just in the fact that I didn't say no to my dad (that was stupid).
I understand the greed part, but in this situation it was actually the opposite of greed. I turned down doubling my money for giving my dad a coin he wanted. I didn't make a dollar.
But greed is definitely somewhere in there.
Not sure what you mean about being unethical with paypal. Paypal gift is an option that I gave. Like I said, the majority of sellers here give it as an option.
I am doing my best to learn everything I can from this.
and this as well. Yeah, you're sorry you got caught IMO. Nothing more than immature greed as far as I'm concerned. Yet, I've seen you brag on here you buy some coins for a third of their value. Gotta love it.
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<< <i>I had the OP pegged when he arrived, and there was no chance that I was going to be interacting with him, let alone transacting with him. Therefore, I cannot say that with the exception of providing some entertainment in the form of a whodunnit, nothing has changed for me. >>
I'd like a PM of an explanation of this... >>
Just FYI that I know of no one who Casman told that it was you, but I know of quite a few folks who had it pegged as you from the beginning.
Whether you realize it or not, you have a reputation with the folks that have been here awhile and watch things pretty closely...and not in a good way.
Also, for whatever reason, it really isn't a good thing to change your forumID part way in. You changed from "unbrok3n" to "comma" and said it was because you wanted a new ID rather than one you had had since you were a kid. There are only a few reasons to change IDs that wouldn't elicit a raised eyebrow.....that isn't really one of them unless there were problems with it.
At 22, you have a long life ahead of you. You should learn to sit back and watch/learn. Instead, it seems you are trying to drive 125mph in a 25mph zone. When that happens, things happen.
Look at what happened with the "$2000" peace dollar issue last year (or whatever amount it was). It was sent to a forum member, they disagreed with the price and tried to jack it down...then, when told to return it, they "insured" it for what THEY thought it was worth (not what the seller had valued it as). Then it was lost in the mail and the seller was screwed.....he got too vocal about it on the boards and was banned, but, I know I would rather deal with that seller than the buyer on these boards anyday.
That buyer, and his way of voicing his side, alienated a number of folks.....I guess if one figures there are always new sheep to fleece, then one may not care, but to many of us, our reputations and our own morals, are priority from day 1.....not just after something happens that could have been easily prevented.
Live. Learn. Learn to let things move forward >>
That's really unforunate that people view me like that, and even more unfortunate that noone has ever sent me a message saying "do this differently", "dont do this", etc.
As far as the ID change, I've explained this multiple times.
I made a name here when I was maybe 14 or 15 (can't remember). It was an inside joke with a girlfriend that is now 6 exgirlfriends ago. I stopped collecting coins when I was 16. Started up again late last year. I changed the name so that it was more consistent to who I am today. Not sure how that raises flags...but it is what it is. I'm not going to keep a stupid name that reminds me of an ex-girlfriend just so the few people who think that is weird don't think I'm honest.
My name change from when I was 15 isn't the issue here.
I made a mistake, I went public with it, and I'm doing whatever I can.
That's where I'm at. People can view me however they want.
And Boichman, my first week on this board you were far from welcoming, but I never judged you or assumed you weren't trustworthy because you were giving a newbie a hard time for asking stupid questions
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I'd like a PM of an explanation of this... >>
Just FYI that I know of no one who Casman told that it was you, but I know of quite a few folks who had it pegged as you from the beginning.
Whether you realize it or not, you have a reputation with the folks that have been here awhile and watch things pretty closely...and not in a good way.
Also, for whatever reason, it really isn't a good thing to change your forumID part way in. You changed from "unbrok3n" to "comma" and said it was because you wanted a new ID rather than one you had had since you were a kid. There are only a few reasons to change IDs that wouldn't elicit a raised eyebrow.....that isn't really one of them unless there were problems with it.
At 22, you have a long life ahead of you. You should learn to sit back and watch/learn. Instead, it seems you are trying to drive 125mph in a 25mph zone. When that happens, things happen.
Look at what happened with the "$2000" peace dollar issue last year (or whatever amount it was). It was sent to a forum member, they disagreed with the price and tried to jack it down...then, when told to return it, they "insured" it for what THEY thought it was worth (not what the seller had valued it as). Then it was lost in the mail and the seller was screwed.....he got too vocal about it on the boards and was banned, but, I know I would rather deal with that seller than the buyer on these boards anyday.
That buyer, and his way of voicing his side, alienated a number of folks.....I guess if one figures there are always new sheep to fleece, then one may not care, but to many of us, our reputations and our own morals, are priority from day 1.....not just after something happens that could have been easily prevented.
Live. Learn. Learn to let things move forward >>
Bochiman,
I believe you might be confused, I know for a fact it was Indiannationals who was involved with the Peace dollar with Tonedrarities. >>
I'm not confused. I didn't say it was the OP. I purposely chose NOT to name who was involved with that one.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Yeah, that was mighty big of you to "step up." Many do after they are caught. I guess you bailed on the bullion things and that was someone else's fault,
and this as well. Yeah, you're sorry you got caught IMO. Nothing more than immature greed as far as I'm concerned. Yet, I've seen you brag on here you buy some coins for a third of their value. Gotta love it.
So not saying anything would have been better?
I admitted to it, I made a mistake. And casman didn't message me with his concerns before that thread. So I had no clue until I saw it. At that point, we agreeded to canceling the deal and that was that.
I'm doing what I can do here. And what does me buying coins here have to do with anything? I never said that I cared if casman bought it for less than it was worth. That is fine. I just didn't realize the value. And to reiterate, I did not back out because I realized it was worth more. I backed out because I gave it to someone else for nothing.
People will judge this as they will, just like anything in life.
And like anything else in life, I'm doing all that I can.
I was stupid...what else can I do except apologize, work things out with casman,tell everybody on the board, and learn from it?
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I'd like a PM of an explanation of this... >>
Just FYI that I know of no one who Casman told that it was you, but I know of quite a few folks who had it pegged as you from the beginning.
Whether you realize it or not, you have a reputation with the folks that have been here awhile and watch things pretty closely...and not in a good way.
Also, for whatever reason, it really isn't a good thing to change your forumID part way in. You changed from "unbrok3n" to "comma" and said it was because you wanted a new ID rather than one you had had since you were a kid. There are only a few reasons to change IDs that wouldn't elicit a raised eyebrow.....that isn't really one of them unless there were problems with it.
At 22, you have a long life ahead of you. You should learn to sit back and watch/learn. Instead, it seems you are trying to drive 125mph in a 25mph zone. When that happens, things happen.
Look at what happened with the "$2000" peace dollar issue last year (or whatever amount it was). It was sent to a forum member, they disagreed with the price and tried to jack it down...then, when told to return it, they "insured" it for what THEY thought it was worth (not what the seller had valued it as). Then it was lost in the mail and the seller was screwed.....he got too vocal about it on the boards and was banned, but, I know I would rather deal with that seller than the buyer on these boards anyday.
That buyer, and his way of voicing his side, alienated a number of folks.....I guess if one figures there are always new sheep to fleece, then one may not care, but to many of us, our reputations and our own morals, are priority from day 1.....not just after something happens that could have been easily prevented.
Live. Learn. Learn to let things move forward >>
That's really unforunate that people view me like that, and even more unfortunate that noone has ever sent me a message saying "do this differently", "dont do this", etc.
As far as the ID change, I've explained this multiple times.
I made a name here when I was maybe 14 or 15 (can't remember). It was an inside joke with a girlfriend that is now 6 exgirlfriends ago. I stopped collecting coins when I was 16. Started up again late last year. I changed the name so that it was more consistent to who I am today. Not sure how that raises flags...but it is what it is. I'm not going to keep a stupid name that reminds me of an ex-girlfriend just so the few people who think that is weird don't think I'm honest.
My name change from when I was 15 isn't the issue here.
I made a mistake, I went public with it, and I'm doing whatever I can.
That's where I'm at. People can view me however they want.
And Boichman, my first week on this board you were far from welcoming, but I never judged you or assumed you weren't trustworthy because you were giving a newbie a hard time for asking stupid questions
By your own admissions of this being a new account, you weren't a "newbie".
And, why should someone PM you (I have your PMs blocked so that doesn't matter) anyway? Why should people, who have no vested interest and end up just going back and forth, possibly waste their time?
Like I said, it is a live and learn. Watch, live, and learn. Sometimes, posting less and reading/learning more is a better thing to do
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
1. Learn from mistakes. Do not sell anything (or be forced into selling anything) you are not prepared to sell. Know and do your homework so similar scenarios don't happen again.
2. It doesn't matter whose coins you are selling. If you are the one selling the coins they're ultimately your responsibility. They aren't really yours isn't a valid excuse.
3. Transactions are a two-way street. Remember our $25 transaction? Don't sweat the small stuff but make sure the big stuff is all in order. Also don't expect the other party to do everything perfectly to your satisfaction if you are unable to reciprocate.
Use this experience as a learning tool for the future. Move on but don't repeat similar mistakes without expecting the same results.
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Wow, way too much reading here.
HUH????????????
BST transactions: Even a couple of OFR members. Amazing.
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Braddick,Broadstruck,brokezorro,CarsonCityGold,cohodk,CoinsAreNeat,Coinlearner,coinman23885,
CoinRaritiesOnline,coin22lover,cucamongacoin,
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icsoccer,indiananationals,jakeblue,JamesM,jhdfla,Joebb21,JonathanB,Kalshacon,
Keets,kryptonitecomics,KSteelheader,Lakesamman,LasVegasTeddy,LeeG,
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Walkerguy21D,WinLoseWin,wondercoin
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<< <i>FYI when a item is purchased using Paypal and the buyer uses a credit card to fund the money, when the seller issues a refund it will show a refund for both the buyer and ther seller on their account. BUT it can take up to 30 days before it shows up on the credit card companys system. Not sure why, just the way it works. Paypal states this in the refund information listing on the website. >>
paypal policy in place to prevent two parties with a stolen credit card account from turning transactions into cash.
What was the coin, couldn't ID it from the thread? When a coin becomes more important than the customer it's probably a good idea to get into another business.
Well, it's not like the OP took the money and ran. However, it is the second time he failed to honor a BST commitment (the ASE anniversary sets he mentions). Judge Judy says 3 month BST restrictions and delivery before payment once reinstated.
"Strike two. . ."
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
I think 'comma' was wrong in that he didn't keep his word of the initial deal.
End of story.
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paypal policy in place to prevent two parties with a stolen credit card account from turning transactions into cash.
What was the coin, couldn't ID it from the thread? When a coin becomes more important than the customer it's probably a good idea to get into another business.
Well, it's not like the OP took the money and ran. However, it is the second time he failed to honor a BST commitment (the ASE anniversary sets he mentions). Judge Judy says 3 month BST restrictions and delivery before payment once reinstated. >>
With respect you are usually spot on but not this time. Many BST deals involve thousands of dollars and I cannot chance that. 3 months isn't near long enough.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
My unsolicited observations and advice - worth what you paid for it:
1) Good for you for "outing" yourself. That takes guts, especially with this crowd. You're taking heat for it. Good for you anyway. This particular kitchen is likely to be a little warm for a while.
2) I wasn't a stellar human at 22. Maybe now I'm a little better, hopefully. I'll cut you a bit of slack for that, but you're playing in the big kids pool and for most people here integrity is EVERYTHING. Not everyone will give you another chance. That's perfectly within their right.
3) It is human nature to try to avoid the day of reckoning, and then if and when it arrives, skirt around it with the least possible damage (see former congressman Anthony Weiner). That's the 70% thing they're talking about. Coming clean (with reservations) doesn't cut it. It actually makes it worse. You're far better off to take the hit squarely, deal with it, and move on.
4) I don't have a dog in this fight, but the best way for you to repair your reputation is to have Casman to do it for you. If you can get square with him, he'll probably be your biggest defender. It might be painful, expensive, or possibly even impossible to do, but I'd certainly try.
5) It is unfortunate but true that many people who get themselves into unethical situations fall back into the same trap again. I'm a newB here, but apparently this isn't the first "situation" to ever come up. If you can learn from this and actually change your character, you'll be a much happier human. People will take a long time to get over this. Just take it for what it is. If you have a coin I want I'll still offer to buy it from you, but only in a situation that puts me at zero personal risk.
6) An incident like this might drive some people out of the hobby. Don't let it. Lots of peole have done far worse things and have recovered.
7) Life is all about people. Treat 'em with respect and integrity and you'll have riches far beyond anything money can provide. You'll just have to trust me on that one.