Guess the Grade on this 1813 Half Eagle( RESULTS IN ) ( NEW Pictures)

mrearlygold · April 1, 2008 4:14PM

There was a thread about this coin a while ago. I finally got around to cracking it out. Did it today, and then submitted the coin. Want to take a stab at what grade do you think it will ultimately attain?

Let's also follow up on this coin in a week or so, after it's returned from the grading service and see who guessed correctly

GFourDriver · April 1, 2008 4:15PM

It could go PCGS MS62 but they are tough on half eagles. They may not grade it due to rim nicks too.

DeusExMachina · April 1, 2008 4:30PM

I say body bag at both PCGS and NGC. The scratches in the obverse field and the rim irregularities from 9-11 would prevent either from encapsulating this coin. My guess is MS details at NCS.

That said, the remaining detail is amazing, I really like this coin.

tresgatos · April 1, 2008 4:31PM

1794half1839 · April 1, 2008 10:29PM

NCS UNC details, Obverse rim filed.

MrEureka · April 1, 2008 10:35PM

Tough to say from the images, but I have two concerns:

1. Possible tooling in the right obverse field.

2. Possible rim damage or filing at 6:30 on the reverse.

RYK · April 2, 2008 12:00AM

BB but nice looking coin, nonetheless. Keep us posted.

STONE · April 2, 2008 12:44AM

I would love to have a coin like that.

I'm not quite sure about the grade, but hope it turns out in a similar holder.

JoesMaName · April 2, 2008 1:29AM

Any chance what we are seeing on the right obv are die polish marks?

In any case it's a gorgeous coin, hope it comes back at least a 60.

mrearlygold · April 2, 2008 2:03AM

It's arrived at the grading service.

mcheath · April 2, 2008 4:47AM

I bet it will grade, MS60

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Longacre · April 2, 2008 5:57AM

That's a commercial 63 all day long, mrearlygold. Don't listen to the boo birds. I am reserving commentary on stickerability, though.

clarkbar04 · April 2, 2008 6:28AM

58, but no matter the grade, sweet coin.

jdimmick · April 2, 2008 7:06AM

Ms-62

adamlaneus · April 2, 2008 7:10AM

It looks like it has seen some circulation and that patch on the right obverse field is a little bothersome.

55 to 58.

(edit...agreeing with the cleaned comment)
If they don't come back with complaints about altered surfaces, cleaning, etc. Isn't a coin that old supposed to have a 'skin'?

I just looked up the price. Looks like i'll never ever see one of those outside of this forum. Thanks for sharing!!!

tightbudget · April 2, 2008 7:17AM

Cleaned

DJCoinz · April 2, 2008 7:36AM

My guess is PCGS AU58. My next guess would be MS62, but I'm leaning towards 58.

BECOKA · April 2, 2008 7:37AM

PCGS AU55, NGC MS62

TomB · April 2, 2008 7:49AM

The first image makes it appear to be wiped, but that was only one view of the coin.

IGWT · April 2, 2008 7:56AM

I think Larry netted it properly.

SNMAN · April 2, 2008 8:00AM

<< I finally got around to cracking it out. >>

Made it look easy to crack a SEGS? What was your method?

RYK · April 2, 2008 8:11AM

<< I think Larry netted it properly. >>

For all who think the coin slabs at PCGS/NGC, how do you explain the dentils on the obverse at 9-12 o'clock?

BECOKA · April 2, 2008 8:35AM

<< 

<< I think Larry netted it properly. >>

For all who think the coin slabs at PCGS/NGC, how do you explain the dentils on the obverse at 9-12 o'clock? >>

Shoot, tooled shaved.

mrearlygold · April 2, 2008 3:21PM

<< 

<< I finally got around to cracking it out. >>

Made it look easy to crack a SEGS? What was your method?

>>

Twas a hammer. Tap tap tap on couple sides. Opened like a clam.

partagas · April 13, 2008 10:52PM

Any update?

dorkkarl · April 14, 2008 1:18AM

it's been repaired

K S

BillJones · April 14, 2008 1:58AM

I think the rim at 6:30 on the reverse is a big problem. It' looks like it's been filed. The area in the right obverse could be a problem too, but the reverse does it in for getting into a PCGS slab for me. Otherwise the coin is an AU-58 that would normally get into an MS-61 or 62 holder.

Here's a bit of advice. When you see a coin like this in anything other than a PCGS or NGC holder, there is a 99% chance that there is a problem. Why? Because it's easier to sell and brings more money in a PCGS or NGC holder. Given that, why send an expensive coin to anyone else for grading?

BECOKA · April 14, 2008 3:10AM

<< I think the rim at 6:30 on the reverse is a big problem. It' looks like it's been filed. The area in the right obverse could be a problem too, but the reverse does it in for getting into a PCGS slab for me. Otherwise the coin is an AU-58 that would normally get into an MS-61 or 62 holder.

Here's a bit of advice. When you see a coin like this in anything other than a PCGS or NGC holder, there is a 99% chance that there is a problem. Why? Because it's easier to sell and brings more money in a PCGS or NGC holder. Given that, why send an expensive coin to anyone else for grading? >>

There are collectors that just like the SEGS holder. It was the first one to put the label on top for easy storage and viewing. There are also collectors that still are not fully aware of which service is better and my send perfectly good stuff to SEGS.

commoncents05 · April 14, 2008 3:12AM

Just because it is (or was) in a SEGS holder doesn't mean it's junk.

-Paul

RYK · April 14, 2008 3:22AM

<< 

<< I think the rim at 6:30 on the reverse is a big problem. It' looks like it's been filed. The area in the right obverse could be a problem too, but the reverse does it in for getting into a PCGS slab for me. Otherwise the coin is an AU-58 that would normally get into an MS-61 or 62 holder.

Here's a bit of advice. When you see a coin like this in anything other than a PCGS or NGC holder, there is a 99% chance that there is a problem. Why? Because it's easier to sell and brings more money in a PCGS or NGC holder. Given that, why send an expensive coin to anyone else for grading? >>

There are collectors that just like the SEGS holder. It was the first one to put the label on top for easy storage and viewing. There are also collectors that still are not fully aware of which service is better and my send perfectly good stuff to SEGS. >>

I completely agree with BJ. Not 100% chance of a problem, but a 99% chance.

fc · April 14, 2008 3:26AM

BB. net grade au50. rim is odd. i see hairlines.

Broadstruck · April 14, 2008 3:27AM

Twas a hammer. Tap tap tap on couple sides. Opened like a clam.

Like the coin... but am more impressed with the swift slab crack!

mrearlygold · April 14, 2008 3:29AM

<< Any update? >>

Should be this week

Meanwhile, nobody's put a number on it. That's the ultimate test of your "abilities".

Heheh

BECOKA · April 14, 2008 3:34AM

<< 

<< Any update? >>

Should be this week

Meanwhile, nobody's put a number on it. That's the ultimate test of your "abilities".

Heheh >>

OK, AU53 details, cleaned and filed.

mrearlygold · April 14, 2008 3:40AM

<< Twas a hammer. Tap tap tap on couple sides. Opened like a clam.

Like the coin... but am more impressed with the swift slab crack!

>>

Thank you

commoncents05 · April 14, 2008 3:40AM

I say MS61.

-Paul

Connecticoin · April 14, 2008 4:09AM

MS-60

Baley · April 14, 2008 8:06AM

I'll go out on a limb and guess that it's not a filed rim, but a combo of adjustment marks and slightly misaligned dies, there are a few handling marks but otherwise a pretty nice coin, and therefore predict it crosses at MS61. Good luck!

coinkat · April 14, 2008 8:24AM

I think this truly is one that needs to be seen in hand... good luck

mrearlygold · April 24, 2008 11:05AM

It's back!

Wanna get your last guesses in? Dang I wish I could set up a poll but everytime I try I mess it up

In any event, first we're having dinner I'm now told by the boss, then image zee coin.

pcgs69 · April 24, 2008 11:13AM

oh come on, you can't leave us in suspense!

mrearlygold · April 24, 2008 11:17AM

<< oh come on, you can't leave us in suspense! >>

Sorry, it's not me, it's the Wife! I wanna come out and play but She wants me to have dinner before doing the images

tjkillian · April 24, 2008 11:21AM

I'd like to have a coin like that, but my vote is that it has been played with and will bodybag at either PCGS or NGC.

JRocco · April 24, 2008 11:24AM

I am going to side with Baley on this and bump it into a 62 slab.

DJCoinz · April 24, 2008 11:26AM

Awaiting the results...

mrearlygold · April 24, 2008 1:36PM

Here she is:

mrearlygold · April 24, 2008 1:59PM

fc · April 24, 2008 2:02PM

what scratch?
i got the AU part right, net, but not the reason.

Cgb · April 24, 2008 2:08PM

so where is the scratch?

lcoopie · April 24, 2008 2:08PM

very interesting post, thanks

do you agree with the grade?

mrearlygold · April 24, 2008 2:26PM

<< very interesting post, thanks

do you agree with the grade? >>

Your welcome. Not really. I think it's technically unc.

Guess the Grade on this 1813 Half Eagle( RESULTS IN ) ( NEW Pictures)

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