Just say NO to toned coins!
UncleJoe
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or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe.
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<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe. >>
At one time it was also common practice to dip entire bags of Morgan dollars too.
But that certainly doesn't hold true for copper and I don't think it begins to fully explain the plethora of toned coins in the current market.
Joe.
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<< <i>Just say NO to toned coins! or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them >>
<< <i>If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) >>
Why limit that thought to toned coins only, if folks applied that thinking to classic coins, say Seated Liberty Dollars, the price would also drop. So everyone, stop buying coins, when the market falls apart, think of the bargains, LOL
<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe. >>
What about all the bright white and bright gold high grade cameo and ultra cameo proof type and gold (not to mention many other types of coins) that have been "conserved" by NCS who strips away any semblance of original surfaces and leaves uniformly textured widgets that look exactly the same (many of which now belong in body bags for altered surfaces). I think its high time for somebody to speak out (loudly) in regard to these abominations. Countless numbers of O R I G I N A L coins are being ruined forever in the name of conservation and it makes me sick to my stomach. NCS can call it what it will, but it is C O I N D O C T O R I N G nonetheless (albeit very profitable coin doctoring for all those involved).
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I didn't spell out specifically the meaning of my post. I agree that original coins should be left alone.
My point regards the fact that many toned coins look cloned and all those that believe they can know for a fact which coins have been fooled with or not, are deceiving themselves. They may have good educated guesses but they cannot know for sure unless they saw it "made".
I am only suggesting that one should be very careful about paying lofty premiums for toned coins that also may have been "made".
Joe.
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Dip it out and I don't like it. Screw with the colors and I may not like it.
Give me a natural coin, that I like, and I won't care if it is toned or not.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe. >>
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I'll buy all the monster rainbow bag toned Morgans in MS65+ you seem to think you or "doctors" can make!! Plus I'l trade boring MS65/66 white dip jobs for them real cheap--if that's what you like!
Seasoned veterans can tell the difference between AT and NT.
The premiums are really only there for knock out coins. Moderate toned coins should carry big premiums, but everyone thinks their coin is "special" so people try for big bucks.
The really big buck coins are something special
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<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO. If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows. At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners. Something is not right IMO. Joe. >>
Joe,
First let me say that I don't care for toned coins at all and don't own any. But I don't like to see a campaign started against toned coins. What you pay for them is your business and I'm a big believer in the free market. But to start a campain called "Just say no" isn't fair to current owners of toned coins and on these boards where emotions run high might almost be construed as an attempt at market manipulation.
I believe in the long run the premiums will go down a lot. But that will be determined by the market.
I posted a long discussion this morning talking about the chemistry behind it and suggesting that there is literally NO PHYSICAL DIFFERENCE between a coin that is AT and NT so if you like the coins, relax and enjoy them. IT really doesn't matter how they got that attractive layer of silver sulfide...
--Jerry
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
I am willing to help out. You send me your nice encapsulated toners. Any of them, any at all. I will then find an equivalent blast white coin in an equivalent holder and mail it to you!
Don't thank me, its the least I can do for the hobby and all you nice board members.
<< <i>It never made any sense to me to pay big premiums for what is essentially colorful tarnish. >>
<< <i>This is another reason why I love original GSA Morgans. It means that the coin has been untampered with since the 1970's, when the gov't sonically sealed them into the pack. I was at show last weekend and I made a general anti-dipping comment and a dealer got irate. It's that pervasive now. One of these days I may sell the Morgan date collection, but I will keep the GSA's CC's till I die. >>
Are you sure about the GSAs ?
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<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe. >>
What about all the bright white and bright gold high grade cameo and ultra cameo proof type and gold (not to mention many other types of coins) that have been "conserved" by NCS who strips away any semblance of original surfaces and leaves uniformly textured widgets that look exactly the same (many of which now belong in body bags for altered surfaces). I think its high time for somebody to speak out (loudly) in regard to these abominations. Countless numbers of O R I G I N A L coins are being ruined forever in the name of conservation and it makes me sick to my stomach. NCS can call it what it will, but it is C O I N D O C T O R I N G nonetheless (albeit very profitable coin doctoring for all those involved).
Mikey >>
Mikey knows.Listen to him and check out his coins.
At least I am a little better off with the second coin as I only paid $125 for it. Anybody have a high quality dip I can use to try and improve the look of these coins?? It would be nice to be able to give them a more natural look with a good dipping.
<< <i>or at least don't pay stupid premiums for them. This will stop the doctoring of coins in its tracks IMO.
If there wasn't a demand (at lofty prices) there wouldn't be so many of these colorful beauties on the market. Or maybe it is global warming over the last twenty years that seems to have accelerated the toning rate and vibrant colors now seen at coin shows.
At one time there were very few toners. Now I have to look extra hard to find non-toners.
Something is not right IMO.
Joe. >>
I agree. Coin doctors are ruining large numbers of coins to service insane toned coin market. Once these coins are ruined they are ruined forever. Prior generations of the collectors viewed themselves as custodians who were preserving coins for future generations.
A large number of the current generations don’t view it that way. They want their coins have neon colors, even if it’s not natural to satisfy their collecting whim. So long as the coin is good enough to make it into a slab with the "right" grade on it, they don't care what's been done to it. It’s a sad state of affairs, but that’s what it has come to, and most of these collectors are too arrogant to listen to reason.
<< <i>Great that means I am screwed!! I paid $150 for this coin and now I will be lucky to get $35-$40 for it.
RR, I bet your post is somewhat rhetorical and you aren't really considering dipping them (althougth I might like them dipped). There are several guys advertizing in BST that they want to buy your morgans. If you are really down on them, offer them for what you paid for them.
Or keep them and enjoy them like nothing happened. Their appearance has not changed in the last 48 hours.
--Jerry
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