Man, can somebody teach me how to tone coins like this - AND get PCGS to grade them!!??

Russ · August 28, 2005 8:09AM

HOLY CRAP! Check the prices they're bringing!

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1127

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1380

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1384

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1558

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1562

And most appear to be from the same submission.

Russ, NCNE

lordmarcovan · August 28, 2005 8:10AM

Fools and their money are soon parted.

p8nt · August 28, 2005 8:11AM

Some of those are so AT... !

FatMan · August 28, 2005 8:12AM

Some interesting coins.

bgrice · August 28, 2005 8:14AM

I can't believe anyone has bid on those that are at $1500 & $2000. Gotta be the reserve by the seller.

ColonialCoinUnion · August 28, 2005 8:15AM

I'm not an expert on toning, But I always thought that the little spots as seen on the obverse of the second to last Kennedy and more so on the reverse of the last Kennedy were very good indications of it being artificially induced.

Couple that with these coins being unusual colors and I would say AT all the way.

So why / how / who at PCGS has decided these are slabbable?

Tonelover · August 28, 2005 8:18AM

"market acceptable".

ER · August 28, 2005 8:18AM

All are unappealing.

ER · August 28, 2005 8:19AM

Prediction: All will be unsold.

GaCoinGuy · August 28, 2005 8:26AM

I have found 2 Franklins that are the same color as the 71 Kennedy. They were in proof sets wth the Lincolns in the same slot. The seams had busted on them allowing the coins to shift around. Got one of them in a PR66 slab at pcgs, and the other is still raw.

Russ · August 28, 2005 8:28AM

<< I have found 2 Franklins that are the same color as the 71 Kennedy. >>

I've also found silver proofs from celo packs with wild color. That kennedy is clad and came from a hard plastic pack.

Russ, NCNE

Myqqy · August 28, 2005 8:33AM

The kennedys look AT to me, while I like the washingtons- still, those prices are freakin' crazy. My wife looks at me a little cross eyed when I spend $100 on a nicely toned morgan- maybe I should show her some of these to give her some perspective......

CarlWohlforth · August 28, 2005 8:36AM

Wow, that 1st JFK is over 2 grand! Amazing. The Bicentennial doesn't even look nice to me. For those prices you could get a pretty wild Morgan.

skerke · August 28, 2005 8:39AM

I can't wait o post my pics of what they didn't slab!!! I'm starting to dislike PCGS they are so inconsistent it's scary....

LanLord · August 28, 2005 8:42AM

I baked some in the oven that look just like that!

What a rip

Russ · August 28, 2005 8:50AM

Another one from the same submission:

http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?auction=2084&lot=1129

Russ, NCNE

Sandhawk · August 28, 2005 8:56AM

There's a lot of toned stuff going for 'moon money' for the grade........................................

segoja · August 28, 2005 9:00AM

If someone brought the 76-S half to my table I'd be hard pressed to give them more than $5.

I'd be happy to sell it for $10.

LindeDad · August 28, 2005 9:02AM

I'm sorry but those low grade proofs just don't do it for me. Spotted toning, and some crazy moon money there. Some of the other coins are very attractive especially the quarters. But I'm not going to pay 110 times what a MS66 just sold for, for a little color.

1jester · August 28, 2005 9:10AM

Definite AT going on.

DHeath · August 28, 2005 9:16AM

Those are some seriously ugly examples. How did the purple clad 71 get in a holder?

dthigpen · August 28, 2005 9:17AM

I've achieved such effects on proof coins with just two months or so by dipping the coin, placing it in an envelope with 4 or 5 match heads in it and letting it sit in a room that hovers at 120 degrees F or so.

XpipedreamR · August 28, 2005 9:21AM

If, as Russ suggests, they're all from one submission, how would they get through? Some of them are pretty questionably colored.

FatMan · August 28, 2005 9:30AM

<< If, as Russ suggests, they're all from one submission, how would they get through? Some of them are pretty questionably colored. >>

This is the real question. Whether they are ugly or not is secondary.

stman · August 28, 2005 9:33AM

"PCGS COINS BRING MORE MONEY"..... "PCGS GRADES MORE CONSERATEVELY"....... "ONLY BUY PCGS COINS" Hahaha

JSsson · August 28, 2005 9:33AM

I thought all coins that are graded by the grading services are supposed to be genuine without being doctored. If they got into a holder doesn't that mean that PCGS thought they were natural toned?

ColonialCoinUnion · August 28, 2005 9:34AM

Any chance these could be toned like this after they were slabbed?

mercurydimeguy · August 28, 2005 9:37AM

The first Kennedy is egg, vinegar and onion -- for sure!

What kills me is that some "without a doubt AT coin"s get slabbed, yet (obviously) genuinely toned coins get BB'd once or twice

Barry · August 28, 2005 9:39AM

<< I've achieved such effects on proof coins with just two months or so by dipping the coin, placing it in an envelope with 4 or 5 match heads in it and letting it sit in a room that hovers at 120 degrees F or so. >>

You must live in Arizona, or Bagdad...

dthigpen · August 28, 2005 9:49AM

<< 

<< I've achieved such effects on proof coins with just two months or so by dipping the coin, placing it in an envelope with 4 or 5 match heads in it and letting it sit in a room that hovers at 120 degrees F or so. >>

You must live in Arizona, or Bagdad... >>

No, just have access to a room that needs better cooling

Russ · August 28, 2005 9:49AM

<< If they got into a holder doesn't that mean that PCGS thought they were natural toned? >>

Yes.

Russ, NCNE

Cameonut · August 28, 2005 9:51AM

<< You must live in Arizona, or Bagdad... >>

Or you put it in a glass case in the window of your shop - instant solar furnace.

nankraut · August 28, 2005 9:51AM

OK guys; here's how I tried to get this kind of toning, with mixed results:

1. Put some salmon steaks on the outdoor barbeque grill (must be a natural gas grill)
2. Sprinkle both sides of the fish (amply) with Lemon pepper seasoning.
3. Spray grill and coins with non-sticking coating, and Place the fish on the grill.
4. Place the coins on top of the fish
5. Grill on HIGH for 10 minutes
6. Remove coins, turn fish and coins over, place coins on top of fish again, and grill again on HIGH for another 10 minutes
7. Remove fish and coins. Be sure to use gloves when handling fish.
8. Fish was really delicious---coins looked like sh-t.
9. Spend coins to buy more fish.

FullStrike · August 28, 2005 9:54AM

<< I thought all coins that are graded by the grading services are supposed to be genuine without being doctored. If they got into a holder doesn't that mean that PCGS thought they were natural toned? >>

I'm thinking that, just like eBay, the TPG's are here to support the Coin Biz. If there is a market for these wild n crazy easter-egg Coins, then I expect that the TPG's will slab them.

Heck, if someone perfects laser scanning and really fine-tunes CNC milling of some good dies, I'd expect to start seeing MS70 1793 Silver Dollars anytime now. TPG slabbed of course!

XpipedreamR · August 28, 2005 9:55AM

<< Any chance these could be toned like this after they were slabbed? >>

Quite unlikely.

LindeDad · August 28, 2005 9:58AM

I found that seven minutes to each side left the Salmon a little more moist. YUMMY

Russ · August 29, 2005 12:04PM

<< Prediction: All will be unsold. >>

Pretty close. The two Jeffersons sold, the rest didn't.

Russ, NCNE

netrubicon · August 29, 2005 12:12PM

Particle Board.....Its a real crapshoot.

A dealer was showing me his eagles that he had laid out on particle board. I couldnt beleive how toned they got in a month. Some looked awesome and others looked like crap. Some were blue and greens and others were brown and black with splotches. I dont know if you would call it AT but definetly accelerated toning.

knumbz · August 29, 2005 12:19PM

Hey Lucy, this is Ricki.

Call Anaconda quick!!!!

MrSpud · August 29, 2005 12:30PM

How much do you think these would go for?

netrubicon · August 29, 2005 12:37PM

1000.55

MadMarty · August 29, 2005 12:40PM

Isn't the 600 series show grading?

Cnitas · August 29, 2005 12:43PM

<< How much do you think these would go for?

>>

I like them AT or not...

foodude · August 29, 2005 1:15PM

Isn't the 600 series show grading?

500..., 501..., 502... (and probably someday 503 ..., etc.) are show graded.

Bear · August 29, 2005 1:29PM

Toned coins thru the kind efforts

of the baking and chemical industry.

Aint science grand.

dragon · August 30, 2005 4:08AM

I think Russ should make David Hall aware of this thread and solicit his comments/opinions on those Teletrade coins.

1jester · August 30, 2005 4:44AM

<< I've achieved such effects on proof coins with just two months or so by dipping the coin, placing it in an envelope with 4 or 5 match heads in it and letting it sit in a room that hovers at 120 degrees F or so. >>

In your greenhouse?! Outstanding project, I must add...and not the AT attempts.

skerke · August 30, 2005 4:51AM

ibzman350 · August 30, 2005 6:08AM

WTF is that all about ??

Must be a big time submitter/dealer that PCGS is stroking.

Herb

Bochiman · August 30, 2005 6:22AM

Me no likey....

I did look at a stack of raw 2005 SAE I had in my closet yesterday.
5 in the stack. Bottom 4 were completely normal. Top of the 5th one (on top) was very golden. Nothing sitting on it or touching it. none of the others, nor the rev, were toned.

So, I flipped it over last night so it has a chance to completely tone

morgannut2 · August 30, 2005 6:41AM

<< How much do you think these would go for?

>>

As Mr. Spuds image shows it's easy to tone them one color Russ. Liver of Sulfur, matchsticks, onion/eggs combo, all can give vivid unicolor. But the get true variation both horizontally, and with depth of strike is, near impossible-- except over long periods of time. The only exception is 99.9% silver proofs.

Man, can somebody teach me how to tone coins like this - AND get PCGS to grade them!!??

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