Vote in the poll: Grade the peace dollar!

Baley · February 14, 2004 11:40AM

what do you think this coin grades?

kamehameha00 · February 14, 2004 11:47AM

I say 64, too many marks on reverse for 65.

sinin1 · February 14, 2004 11:49AM

I can't tell if the obverse lines in the field are

die polish (probably) or cleaning

you should have put in a couple more options

bodybagged - cleaned
AU 58

Stuart · February 14, 2004 11:50AM

MS-64 - Rim Nicks and other surface contact marks may keep it below MS-65.. Beautiful 1934 Peace!!

Baley · February 14, 2004 11:52AM

it's in an NGC holder (for another 16 hours or so

) and Mint State (according to them)

most of the lines you see are die polish, however maybe a few of them are hairlines?

JLW · February 14, 2004 11:52AM

63 or 64, being an optimist I voted 64 in the poll.
Joe

Dog97 · February 14, 2004 12:18PM

I said 64 because the polish & rev marks will preclude a higher grade I think. Actually the rev digs are kinda deep for a 64 but that's what's probably on the slab label. I'd feel better with it as a 63 personally. Looks like a nice strike though.

merz2 · February 14, 2004 12:21PM

Based on my limited knowledge and comparing it to some that I have already graded,I'd say MS64.

Wondo · February 14, 2004 12:24PM

I don't know squat - give it a 66!

oldcameoproofsguy · February 14, 2004 12:28PM

I give it a 65. The strike and luster are very good, Liberty's cheek and the high points are very clean. The reverse is not so baggy that this coin can't grade gem.

Shamika · February 14, 2004 1:10PM

I think the hair detail is outstanding.

MS65

Peaceman · February 14, 2004 1:17PM

63 in a NGC holder... 62 in PCGS.....

Always hard to tell with a photo..

Baley · February 14, 2004 3:35PM

her cheek is indeed excellent, it looks like the obverse rim took hits above the R, the B, and the 9, instead of many hits in the middle of the coin, which bodes well for the obverse grade.

The reverse, there's the rim tic above D and lots of little pecks on his wing, the pic doesn't show it well but the rock is nice and frosty, which I like

zenny · February 14, 2004 4:14PM

the whole coin looks nice and frosty, Baley.

65

z

wingedliberty · February 14, 2004 6:34PM

Solid 64. Beautiful coin

IrishMike · February 14, 2004 9:37PM

I voted 64, might go 65 in a PCGS holder though.

Purple73 · February 14, 2004 11:59PM

Just a guess for me but I went 62. This is what I get from the pic. Good eye appeal and Luster

Obverse: Don't know if its the plastic or not but right in front of the nose on the feild is some weird marks. Above the R and B in Liberty is some rim marks and Below the 9 in the date.
Reverse: Several marks : biggest being under the E in E-pluribus , some marks in the wings, one under the LL of Dollar, The U by the head of the bird has some marks on it. The one thing that caught my eye was the weakness of Peace on the bottom. Looks really worn. Is that a Weak strike or just the pic? The contrast of the leaves by the feet and word PEACE is really distracting.

Thats what I see.

PURPLE!

keets · February 15, 2004 12:42AM

hey Baley

i graded the picture at MS65, though i'll admit it took me about three seconds longer than the requisite seven for the staffs at NGC/PCGS. unlike some of the previous replies, i find absolutely nothing on the obverse to be critical about----my eyes are drawn easily back to the beautiful rendition of Liberty. the few scattered contacts on the reverse are easily forgotten by what appears as a nice strike and wonderful luster.

al h.

Baley · February 15, 2004 3:38AM

Thanks everyone for your votes and comments, I personally think this is an MS64 coin but could also justify MS63, and naturally was very pleased to acquire it for MS62+ money. Nice job purple73 and peaceman, you saw what NGC likely saw when evaluating the coin, with enough scrutiny I guess it's only a 62, however now that it's cracked out of the holder and housed in an album, it must speak for itself and it's still saying to me, MS63++ and Original! Thanks again, hope you enjoyed the poll!

kieferscoins · February 15, 2004 3:39AM

That picure really makes it look MS-65. I would easily pay 65 money on ebay with that picture.

Cameron Kiefer

Baley · February 15, 2004 3:52AM

thanks Cameron, I must admit it's mighty gratifying to see that the average (mean and median) vote is MS64 or so, and the mode is MS65, when this coin costs about a hundred dollars in an MS62 holder and would be easily twice that in MS64 and nearly a thousand dollar coin as a slabbed MS65!

keets · February 15, 2004 4:10AM

hey Baley

it seems you buy coins the same way i do. i always look and look and look before i buy, rarely making a spur of the moment purchase. i would much rather have a coin holdered at MS62-----of which i have several-----which has smashing eye appeal than an MS65 which can have doubt cast upon it's insert. there really is no downside in that fashion.

al h.

Purple73 · February 15, 2004 12:03PM

Hahahahhah! I got it right! That was the first time I ever did anything like that! I Got a A.N.A grading book and started reading it about 4 days ago and picked up on a few things about luster and bag marks and such. This was a total guess.....but I did use a little bit of what I read about coinage ( basics ) to determine my decision.

Beginners Luck All The Way!

PURPLE!

P.S. can anyone explain to me with Frankies what is a great strike compared to a weak strike?

kieferscoins · February 15, 2004 12:08PM

Did you crack it Bailey? I saw the cracking thread and the slab was open!

Cameron Kiefer

mojorizn · February 15, 2004 12:08PM

No way! I said 65. That's an incredible strike and the only obverse mark I caught was the rim ding. Can't believe NGC was that harsh.

Mojo

Baley · February 16, 2004 11:18AM

hey keets, yep, I'll patiently wait for what I'm looking for, it usually eventually shows up. as for: there really is no downside that's what I like: I'd gladly crack all my coins out of the plastic, each is worth at least as much out of it's holder.

Purple, nice job, sounds like you have a good eye for these details! I hear the services are Hiring!

Cameron, yep, it's out of it's holder now, in the Library of Coins album, where the coin thinks of itself as a VERY PQ MS63!

Mojo, neither can I! Gotta say, I'm liking NGC's recent grading! that is, as the buyer after the fact, not as the submitter!

Last batch i sent to them, each coin was undergraded by a point and 2 came back in bodybags they didn't deserve!

mojoman · February 16, 2004 11:57AM

HI, I have some real nice 63 franklins( roll ) i wouldnt mine selling a few but not sure what they are worth to me they would grade ms 60+ easy some higer , also i have proof nickles and fs nickels let me know what you are looking for or i can sent you some pics or a list , but..... i need some help with there value,? the pcgs guide says they are worth alot more than the graysheets ( i am waiting for help explanig that one) Thanks,DAVE

Baley · February 16, 2004 12:03PM

Mojo, was that supposed to be a PM? Anyway, no thanks, but good luck!

Baley · May 4, 2004 7:03AM

another grade the coin poll that some folks might not have voted yet, interesting results!

Numismanic · May 4, 2004 7:09AM

Nice coin Baley. I voted MS63 before looking at the grade. Looks very high end for a 62.

Don

Baley · May 20, 2004 2:37AM

thanks, love the surfaces on the coin, certainly no need for a "bath" on this one!

dorkkarl · May 20, 2004 3:13AM

baley, that coin is definitely NOT higher than 62. in fact, i voted for 60 before i saw the grade, but actually, i think it's a slider.

it's the old argument of "friction" vs. "wear". your excellent digi-pic clearly shows friction, which plastic co's try to differentiate from "wear". that coin's a slider all day every day.

that said, there's no real difference in price from 58 - 62, so that's probably why it got the benefit of the doubt. but plastic co's have established a terrible criteria for allowing mint-state grades, & this coin is a perfect example of a slider gone ms

no, not bashing plastic, but by golly, people need to learn what they're buying.

K S

Placid · May 20, 2004 3:46AM

I guessed right. I thought it was au58 but that wasn't a choice so I went with au62.

Baley · May 20, 2004 3:57AM

LMAO dorkkarl.

As always, please sell me your "slider" peace dollars that look just like this one. I NEED your AU58s in a 1924-S, 1927-S, 1928, 1934-S, and several other dates, and will pay you AU58 money for them.

greghansen · May 20, 2004 3:58AM

Well I graded it before I read the rest of the replies or saw the grade. Guess I'd better fess up that I missed it pretty badly. Don't make me admit what I graded it. I was way too high. Now I'm kind of cringing wondering what NGC did to my recent submission which included 3 or 4 Peace Dollars. If you got that for mS62+ money, it was a very good deal. Very nice coin, IMO.

dorkkarl · May 20, 2004 4:10AM

<< <i>As always, please sell me your "slider" peace dollars that look just like this one. I NEED your AU58s in a 1924-S, 1927-S, 1928, 1934-S, and several other dates, and will pay you AU58 money for them. >>

baley, that's exactly my point. THOSE dates would NOT be graded the same as your 1935

i stand by my previous comments.

K S

MacCrimmon · May 20, 2004 5:45AM

yeah, baby. I "guessed" it as a 62. I concur that it does look to be a bit "busy". I'm seeing a darker 'color' on the cheek. Friction? But as they say, "you can't grade an image."

Baley · June 22, 2004 7:56AM

THOSE dates would NOT be graded the same as your 1935

please explain. are better dates graded differently?

Baley · August 7, 2004 6:14AM

dorkkarl I'm still waiting for your clarification of your comments and your offer to sell me your sliders

in the meantime, here's a recent addition to the album, formerly a "pcgs" coin and now a "baley's album" coin, are you telling me that they grade this date to different standards than a more common date, or not?

can anyone else comment on this issue? I am familiar with the idea that different dates/mms "come with" different strike and surface characteristics but not this "different standards for rare dates" thing

Peaceman · August 7, 2004 1:37PM

God I only WISH they graded key dates like commons......

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