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eagles33
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There was a good a thread about what Cassius Clays rookie card is so I thought I would follow up with a Pele discussion. I really don't know much about his cards so I'm hoping some soccer experts will chime in. This info is just from ebay and the pop report so don't take it as 100 percent fact.

1958-59 Balas Idolos
This is another card issued in Brazil. It is small and on thin stock similar to the Titulares. It is also very rare. I have only seen 1 ever sell on eBay. The set sold for 950. Also beware of this card with a blank back. The blank backs are fakes.




1958 Alifabolaget. This is my pick I think. Its the close to a mini version of a traditional card and psa does slab it. It has good color and a pretty clear picture on the card for an odd ball item from 58. The ones on ebay usually have ridiculous BIN so I'm not sure what it usually sells for.


1958 Swedish Rekord- this is a hand cut card from some sweedish magazine. Its not common but its the least rare of any of the cards from 58. I'm not a huge fan of hand cut cards especially if there are other options produced the same year. Psa does slab this and the panel


1958-59 Editora Aquarela - psa has started grading these. they were produced in brazil and are pretty similar to a traditional trading card. There are 24 cards in the set and was issued in perforated sheets meant to be stuck into an album. Apparently there are 2 versions. A first pressing with black numbers and a second pressing with blue numbers. The black is supposed to be more scarce. Be careful of reprints of this set. They were reproduced in the 70s. The cards have additional writing on the backs
Original



Reprinted uncut sheet

Reprint back


1957-58 Titulares (or 1958 AVE LTDA) - this is a good looking card IMO. Psa has started to grade this set. They are mislabeling them as handcut though. The following info was from an ebay listing... part of a 180-card soccer set issued in Brazil. 179 cards in total as #139 was not issued with the set and the set is considered complete without it, similar to the 1933 Goudey baseball set and Napoleon Lajoie). The set includes two cards of Garrincha, Gilmar, D. Santos, N. Santos, Pepe, Didi, and the rest of the World Champion 1958 Brazil World Cup team, plus two team cards with Pele in them.


1958-59 Edizioni V.A.V. Figurine Calicio - I know very little about this one. I just saw it on ebay and it sold for 550 bucks. Its blank back. It was issued out of italy. Psa also has started grading these.


1958-59 Quigol - this also produced in Brazil. Its a small color card. This seems to be the most scarce card of everything produced in 58. I have no idea what this would sell for. There is only 1 graded by psa. There has been a bgs 5.5 on ebay for 10k for over a year.


1958-59 Heinerle - This is definitely one of the more popular of his early cards. I think the only thing holding this back is the confusion as to when it was produced.. 58 or 59.


1964 Panini - I guess this would fit the traditional definition of rookie card. This is his first card that is a major release from a major manufacturer. There is also a Valida version of this card I believe. The panini are not common but nowhere near as scarce as the cards from 58.

This is all the info I have on these. Would like to hear what anyone else has to offer. This is one of the last big rookie cards I need for my none major sport rookie card collection.

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1958 Alifabolaget
--> do you have one slabbed ?

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Pele signed a 4 to 7 million dollar contract with Warner Communications back in the early 70's. Pele's contract was for 5 years.

At that time, Henry Aaron was the highest paid baseball player, making $200,000 a season.

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No. I only have a panini psa 4 that I picked up raw a while back. Its not a bad card. The centering on the back is pretty rough... Borderline mc. The back is clean though and the front presents well. I'm looking to upgrade to one of the 58s other than the rekord at some point. I would like it to be the Alifabolaget if the price is right. I'm hoping to find one in the psa 3 to 5 range for 250 to 500. A raw one in pretty rough condition sold for about 300 while back. I haven't really been following the card though so I'm not really sure what the mkt is exactly.

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nice topic, pele rookie cards i think have great investment value but finding one in overall good condition is always hard to find, most the cards i have being looking at lately have bein way over priced,i picked up a few of his 1958 heinerle cards but nothing since

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What about this thing: Titulares

I think the Alifabolaget is the best, but I too have only been able to afford the Panini.

As a side note, I sent my panini down to Brazil to get signed but got my card back unsigned with a signed photo included. The photo was personalized not a pre-print so I assume pele or a secretary signed it. Anyone know if he will sign trading cards? On SCN he's signed mostly photos.

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<< 1958-59 Quigol - this also produced in Brazil. Its a small color card. This seems to be the most scarce card of everything produced in 58. I have no idea what this would sell for. There is only 1 graded by psa. There has been a bgs 5.5 on ebay for 10k for over a year. >>


Is this the one?




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<< nice topic, pele rookie cards i think have great investment value but finding one in overall good condition is always hard to find, most the cards i have being looking at lately have bein way over priced,i picked up a few of his 1958 heinerle cards but nothing since >>



I thought the heinerle was after 58? I knew it was one of his big early cards and thought about including it in my initial post but for some reason I thought it was 59 or 62. Could be wrong.

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<<

<< nice topic, pele rookie cards i think have great investment value but finding one in overall good condition is always hard to find, most the cards i have being looking at lately have bein way over priced,i picked up a few of his 1958 heinerle cards but nothing since >>



I thought the heinerle was after 58? I knew it was one of his big early cards and thought about including it in my initial post but for some reason I thought it was 59 or 62. Could be wrong.
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i myself taught it was from 59 untill i contacted the card makers in germany maybe about 2 years ago now and they came back to me saying the heinerle set with pele started production a few weeks before christmas 1958 and was stopped for the christmas holidays and started again early jan 1959,but they couldn say for sure when then the pele was printed,so maybe 1958 or was in later batch in early 1959.

im not so found of the pele rekord card as it lists edvaldo alves santarosa on the front of the card and we all know thats dida, but with peles picture ok i know it says pele also but to me i find this as an error card,i also had one but sold it a year ago

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<< What about this thing: Titulares

I think the Alifabolaget is the best, but I too have only been able to afford the Panini.

As a side note, I sent my panini down to Brazil to get signed but got my card back unsigned with a signed photo included. The photo was personalized not a pre-print so I assume pele or a secretary signed it. Anyone know if he will sign trading cards? On SCN he's signed mostly photos.
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Great question. I have no idea what this is. This is the first time I've seen it. I guess the quigol is the one that is from 59. The Heinerle is a 58. So I think the Heinerle should bump the quigol.

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<<

<< What about this thing: Titulares

I think the Alifabolaget is the best, but I too have only been able to afford the Panini.

As a side note, I sent my panini down to Brazil to get signed but got my card back unsigned with a signed photo included. The photo was personalized not a pre-print so I assume pele or a secretary signed it. Anyone know if he will sign trading cards? On SCN he's signed mostly photos.
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Great question. I have no idea what this is. This is the first time I've seen it. I guess the quigol is the one that is from 59. The Heinerle is a 58. So I think the Heinerle should bump the quigol.
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any idea what the heinerle is going for nowadays as i havnt seen one pop up in a while,,also in the heinerle set of the same year is a card with pele and the whole brazil team which is a nice looking card

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Great discussion, and a good read as I have always wanted to know about which card was the "rookie".

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I have the Rekord Journal in my collection as his rookie card. (BVG 6) In addition, I recently sold a PSA Authentic for $125.

I am like you in that I plan on having the Alifabolaget as the replacement when a fair priced one comes up. I have had an eBay search set for several years and have not found a fair deal yet. I almost reached a deal on on of the astronomical BIN's but the seller was overseas and wanted to take it off eBay. I was not comfortable doing that with no tracking, etc.



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Pele rookie card and then some

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" i do dis, i do dis, i do dis, goal" (Victory......bad movie, Stallone at 5'2 as the goalie! ) What?

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I guess this one should be added to the potential rookie card list. This is the first time I've seen this card. I have no idea if it sells for more or less than some of his other cards from 58. It looks like a pretty nice card to me. It might get my vote over the Alifabolaget since it was produced in brazil.

1958 Titulares Pele

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Near-Complete-Brazilian-Titulares-Set-with-Pele-/300685444454?pt=US_Soccer_Trading_Cards&hash=item46023fc566#ht_500wt_922

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I missed out a pretty nice auction yesterday for a 1958 Editora Aquarela. The entire album with an uncut sheet of cards sold for 200 bucks. The bottom of the sheet that had the pele card had a small amont of damage but the card was pretty clean for something from 1958 from brazil. I never knew how these cards came. It appears that they were issued as perforated sheets that were meant to be separated and put into the album. I'm pretty bummed I missed out a pretty good opportunity to get one of his cards from 1958 for less than 500 bucks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2c6608316f&item=190690373999&nma=true&pt=US_Soccer_Trading_Cards&rt=nc&si=qO0h3LH0gWF0JLlRAzoOl0VmDFI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

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Edited: Wednesday June 20, 2012 at 8:17 AM by eagles33

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i just added a scan of another card from 1958 that i have never seen before.. i only own the panini card.. but i'm pretty interested in his cards from the 50s.. so decided to post some scans of the ones that i could find

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Edited: Wednesday June 20, 2012 at 9:37 PM by eagles33

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Congrats on the pickup, buddy! You'll have to post scans when it arrives.

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I didn't win it.. I just noticed while searching ebay. I did bid on the uncut sheet though and dropped the ball on that one and lost it. I was board so decided to add some scans of the cards I talked about. The only card that I have is the panini but I would love to own any of the other ones.. I'm not ready to drop the money on one yet.

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