Hold The Group Sub... LSUTigers1973 (Bill) is selling fake Wilt Chamberlain Autographs!!!!!!!
DrJ
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I am looking to pick up a Wilt autograph as he is one of the final (5) I need for my NBA 50 greatest set and I stumble across this BIN by non other than LSUTigers1973 (aka Bill))
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What gives Bill with passing off fake Wilt Autographs on eBay at 49.99 or Best Offer?? You know real Wilt signed cards go for 200 to 300 easily, this is one of the worst fakes I have ever seen (just look at the other PSA/DNA examples), and you submit cards to PSA all the time, so obviously if it was real you would get it slabbed and make money off the card.
Bad play my man.
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What gives Bill with passing off fake Wilt Autographs on eBay at 49.99 or Best Offer?? You know real Wilt signed cards go for 200 to 300 easily, this is one of the worst fakes I have ever seen (just look at the other PSA/DNA examples), and you submit cards to PSA all the time, so obviously if it was real you would get it slabbed and make money off the card.
Bad play my man.
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Just my observation,
brian
<< <i>I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation. To his credit, Bill provides a link to PSA's quick opinion, so.... >>
so he would leave 200-300 dollars on the table on an authentic card?
Bill has some explaining to do for sure.....
<< <i>Did you request a quick opinion from PSA/DNA on the auction, or are you just spouting off nonsense as usual? >>
No nonsense here. Use your eyes. It is not even a good fake worth sending off to PSA/DNA for quick opinion (which by the way I have seen the same line used on many fake autos over the years to add a sense of legitamcy to the sale).
Bill....
Care to explain where this auto came from and why you are selling a fake?
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<< <i>I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation. To his credit, Bill provides a link to PSA's quick opinion, so.... >>
so he would leave 200-300 dollars on the table on an authentic card?
Bill has some explaining to do for sure..... >>
I'm not a Chamberlain auto expert, so don't know.
Personally, I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to present his side before jumping to conclusions.
I think a PM would have sufficed. Then, if he didn't reply to it, then maybe say something on the forum.
Shane
Just sayin...
<< <i>If the roles were reversed, would LSUtigers PM him and try to get an explanation, or would LSUtigers come on this board and do what DR J did? Hmmmmmmm >>
I can't speak for Bill, but I would.
Shane
The card was part of a collection purchased on the BST forum:
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No big secret that I do not collect basketball or hockey cards and my knowledge is limited on basketball cards with the exception of mid-80s cards.
As far as this card in particular, check current and closed auctions on eBay. There are identical cards from this same small set auto'd by Wilt that did not sell for $49.99. My price is based off these previous and current auctions.
LINK to closed auction that did not sell for $49.99
Do some research before you publicly call out someone.
<< <i>If the roles were reversed, would LSUtigers PM him and try to get an explanation, or would LSUtigers come on this board and do what DR J did? Hmmmmmmm >>
Someone with 50 posts asking such a great question.
Nah...that couldn't be an alt.
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<< <i>If the roles were reversed, would LSUtigers PM him and try to get an explanation, or would LSUtigers come on this board and do what DR J did? Hmmmmmmm >>
Someone with 50 posts asking such a great question.
Nah...that couldn't be an alt. >>
<< <i>mob rules. >>
My favorite Black Sabbath album.
<< <i>good point >>
This from a know scammer (or attmepted scammer) with at last 2 alts on this forum.
Right?
<< <i>I usually do not defend myself when accused of BS but feel I must here.
The card was part of a collection purchased on the BST forum:
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No big secret that I do not collect basketball or hockey cards and my knowledge is limited on basketball cards with the exception of mid-80s cards.
As far as this card in particular, check current and closed auctions on eBay. There are identical cards from this same small set auto'd by Wilt that did not sell for $49.99. My price is based off these previous and current auctions.
LINK to closed auction that did not sell for $49.99
Do some research before you publicly call out someone.
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I knew this story was coming. I bought the card in a lot and I had no idea if it was fake. LOLOLOLOL.
Bill,
You have been busted plain and simple and you know enough about cards (YOU are running a group rip) to understand about authentication of autgraphs and submitting cards.
I would recommend you pull the auction ASAP, as every minute it is up it does nothing but pull down your reputation.
What does the other auction have anything to do with the fake you are selling?
brian
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<< <i>I knew this story was coming. I bought the card in a lot and I had no idea if it was fake. LOLOLOLOL. >>
Are you incapable of looking at the link I provided to see that I purchsed the lot last Thursday? Are you also not capable of clicking on the other auctions with identical cards?
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>I knew this story was coming. I bought the card in a lot and I had no idea if it was fake. LOLOLOLOL.
Bill,
You have been busted plain and simple and you know enough about cards (YOU are running a group rip) to understand about authentication of autgraphs and submitting cards.
I would recommend you pull the auction ASAP, as every minute it is up it does nothing but pull down your reputation.
What does the other auction have anything to do with the fake you are selling? >>
How about rephrasing your post?
Bill,
Based upon my experience, that Wilt auto appears to be fake and I suggest getting a quick opinion. If it comes back as forged, I suggest you cancel the auction and take it as a loss.
I'm sorry this happened to you.
Dr. J
I checked the link from the B/S/T forum and there was no Wilt pictured in that Photo Bucket account?
Please come up with a better story my man.
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I would recommend you pull the auction ASAP, as every minute it is up it does nothing but pull down your reputation.
What does the other auction have anything to do with the fake you are selling? >>
DrJ, I was thinking the same about this thread. You are ruining what reputation you have by continuing this thread.
Not sure what you motives are, but you are totally out of line.
brian
<< <i>Hey Bill, don't pull the item. I just ordered a Quick Opinion and will post the results when I hear back. >>
Gumby,
Thanks for providing the board this wonderful service.
I will put my money where my mouth is as well. I will also order a quick opinion and if it comes back authentic I will pay Bill twice what he is asking for the card. If it comes back questionable or unable to provide an opinion, Bill will pay me twice his asking price.
We got a deal Bill?
It is time to man up.
Now look at the 6th card on the 2nd page. You will see this card (not my scan, scan is from forum user dioworld):
<< <i>Bill,
I checked the link from the B/S/T forum and there was no Wilt pictured in that Photo Bucket account?
Please come up with a better story my man. >>
WRONG.
Click view all and it's the first card in row 6.
Sources:
http://s578.photobucket.com/albums/ss223/dioworld/For Sale/?start=all
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss223/dioworld/For Sale/wiltchamberlainauto.jpg
Again, I'm sure an apology and retraction will be along shortly....
Regards,
KrissKriss
Click on the properties of the photo I provided. See who's name is attached to the photobucket account.
Now like I said, do some research before calling out a forum member.
<< <i>Gumby,
Thanks for providing the board this wonderful service. >>
Don't patronize me you fool. I'm just trying to inspire you.
I see the Wilt in that account, I expected to see it in the BST thread. My apologies for not looking into another users Photbucket account.
Still does not change the fact that it is fake.
Bill,
Do you want to take up my offer on doubling your money?
<< <i>Bill,
Do you want to take up my offer on doubling your money? >>
Bill, if you take him up on this, make him add an extra $7.49 to cover the Quick Opinion I just bought.
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<< <i>Gumby,
Thanks for providing the board this wonderful service. >>
Don't patronize me you fool. I'm just trying to inspire you. >>
Gumby,
You are acting like this used to be your card. Maybe you want to take the offer Bill is shying away from.
If the card comes back authentic, you get double Bill's asking price from me. If it comes pack questionable/unable to give opinion, you pay me double Bill's asking price....
Time to step up if you are so confident it is real.
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<< <i>Gumby,
Thanks for providing the board this wonderful service. >>
Don't patronize me you fool. I'm just trying to inspire you. >>
Gumby,
You are acting like this used to be your card. Maybe you want to take the offer Bill is shying away from.
If the card comes back authentic, you get double Bill's asking price from me. If it comes pack questionable/unable to give opinion, you pay me double Bill's asking price....
Time to step up if you are so confident it is real. >>
I don't collect basketball and I don't care if it's real or fake. I just like shutting up bigmouth fools like you.
edited to add: I'm not confident one way or the other. If you look back through my previous posts, you'll see that I've never said I thought it was real. I just asked if you ordered the Quick Opinion service before coming here and blasting Bill.
I will even take it one step further....
If the card comes back authentic, not only will I buy it from you for $100, and refund Craig his 7.50, I will issue a public apology to you, Craig and anybody else who think's it is authentic and I was just blowing wind.
I would also expect a public apology and promise from you not to sell fakes in the future if it does come back fake....
<< <i>Oh...
I see the Wilt in that account, I expected to see it in the BST thread. My apologies for not looking into another users Photbucket account.
Still does not change the fact that it is fake.
Bill,
Do you want to take up my offer on doubling your money? >>
Uh, the Seller provided his photobucket account for pictures of the collection he was selling. Considering the purchase was for over 200 cards, did you expect him to post every single picture?
Again, you assumed the worst and called out a respected member without doing any research.
Because of the circumstances, if I was Bill, not a chance in hades would I accept your "bet".
Personally, I would wait for the quick opinion before doing anything. If it comes back as fake, I would cancel the auction and take it as a loss. If it comes back as legit, would provide PSA's opinion and increase the price 4-fold, thanks to DrJ.
However, if PSA/DNA says it is likely not authentic, I will take the auction down and relist on the BST forum here. It can be a live auction and anyone willing to take a chance that it is actually authentic can bid. The proceeds from the sell will then be donated to Stown's Race for the Cure campaign.
And, just because that's the way I roll, if it is deemed authentic I will still auction it off here in a live auction and donate half the proceeds to the same charity.
<< <i>I'm not taking your stupid proposal.
However, if PSA/DNA says it is likely not authentic, I will take the auction down and relist on the BST forum here. It can be a live auction and anyone willing to take a chance that it is actually authentic can bid. The proceeds from the sell will then be donated to Stown's Race for the Cure campaign.
And, just because that's the way I roll, if it is deemed authentic I will still auction it off here in a live auction and donate half the proceeds to the same charity. >>
Somehow I expected this response. Put your money where your mouth is and man up on the goods you are selling.
Where the sun don't shine,
Just outside the freedom river runs,
Out there in that shiny night,
With bloodhounds on your mind,
Don't you know it's the same sad situation.........
How long, how long,
Dr will you weep?
How long, how long,
Rock yourself to sleep.
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