Some of my collection favorites to share.

mmync · December 26, 2007 1:38PM

MeteoriteGuy · December 26, 2007 1:43PM

Nice items. Love that Williams pack. (Signatures are not bad either).

Clear Skies.
Mark

RipublicaninMass · December 26, 2007 1:43PM

Beautiful pieces!!!

I have the same boggs/brett/don in Sepia and am trying to get it auto'd..very nice!

teachervido · December 26, 2007 1:52PM

awesome stuff! thanks for sharing

mmync · December 26, 2007 1:53PM

There is plenty of info out there about the Ted Williams pack, but I would love to find some detailed info about the rest of the stuff.
This is all that I have found so far.Triple Crown Auto's

Ironmanfan · December 26, 2007 1:57PM

Not to throw cold water in your face, but I'm kind of dubious about the authenticity of that Triple Crown litho.

kylehess10 · December 26, 2007 6:29PM

<< Not to throw cold water in your face, but I'm kind of dubious about the authenticity of that Triple Crown litho. >>

I agree. They all look fake to me; especially the Mantle, that one is pretty obvious.

Allen · December 26, 2007 6:32PM

yeah thats not mick's ink

mmync · December 26, 2007 9:12PM

<< yeah thats not mick's ink >>

I really didn't post these to get opinions on if they where authentic or not, or there grade or value. Most all of this has been stored away for about 15-20 years and I pulled them out for the first time on Christmas to show my family, and while I had them out I thought that maybe you guys would like to see them before I stored them away again. If for some reason you feel a need to prove to me, yourself or anyone else that the auto's are not authentic then I guess I can make you guys an offer that you cant refuse. I will put up the Ted Williams pack which is worth around $800.00. And all you have to do is put up a raw 1994 sp #15 A-rod, which is worth about $100.00. So basically I will put up $800.00 to your $100.00, and if I cant prove to you that it's real in about 3 minutes, the Williams pack is yours. Even though I want another Arod card, its christmas time and I like you guys so I suggest you dont take the bet because they are real, believe me!!

This post is going to be very beneficial to me and I am going to learn alot from it.

Allen · December 26, 2007 9:22PM

<< I really didn't post these to get opinions on if they where authentic or not, or there grade or value. Most all of this has been stored away for about 15-20 years and I pulled them out for the first time on Christmas to show my family, and while I had them out I thought that maybe you guys would like to see them before I stored them away again. If for some reason you feel a need to prove to me, yourself or anyone else that the auto's are not authentic then I guess I can make you guys an offer that you cant refuse. I will put up the Ted Williams pack which is worth around $800.00. And all you have to do is put up a raw 1994 sp #15 A-rod, which is worth about $100.00. So basically I will put up $800.00 to your $100.00, and if I cant prove to you that it's real in about 3 minutes, the Williams pack is yours. Even though I want another Arod card, its christmas time and I like you guys so I suggest you dont take the bet because they are real, believe me!! >>

I will take that bet. You have three minutes starting now. Prove it to me that it is real.

If you think it is real and it makes you happy then that is cool. I did not mean to pee in your corn flakes, you have some nice items there. I guess I should follow the "if you don't have anything nice to say...." rule. I will PM you my address for the Ted Williams pack in three minutes. Thanks.

Allen · December 26, 2007 9:25PM

<< This post is going to be very beneficial to me and I am going to learn alot from it. >>

Perhaps this common spelling error began because there does exist in English a word spelled “allot” which is a verb meaning to apportion or grant. The correct form, with “a” and “lot” separated by a space is perhaps not often encountered in print because formal writers usually use other expressions such as “a great deal,” “often,” etc.

You shouldn’t write “alittle” either. It’s “a little.”

-You learned something already.

fandango · December 26, 2007 9:32PM

i think i have to side with the new guy....those autos look ok to me....the mickey is not the best, but in this context, i dont think somone would forge 1 out of 4 autos on that piece...the ted williams auto looks like a slam dunk......

mmync · December 26, 2007 10:34PM

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Yaz

Detroit Tigers

OnlyThe10s · December 26, 2007 10:41PM

So what happened with the three minute bet?

Did Allen win the Ted Williams pack?

Disclaimer: I'm not personally questioning the authenticity of the item, I'm just curious what happened with the bet.

bluemarlin · December 26, 2007 11:13PM

Yea I'm also curious with how that bet ended?

mmync · December 26, 2007 11:23PM

<< So what happened with the three minute bet?

Did Allen win the Ted Williams pack?

Disclaimer: I'm not personally questioning the authenticity of the item, I'm just curious what happened with the bet. >>

I decided that he wasn't worth 3 minutes of my time.

stown · December 26, 2007 11:33PM

<< 

<< So what happened with the three minute bet?

Did Allen win the Ted Williams pack?

Disclaimer: I'm not personally questioning the authenticity of the item, I'm just curious what happened with the bet. >>

I decided that he wasn't worth 3 minutes of my time. >>

Then you shouldn't have made this offer:

<< So basically I will put up $800.00 to your $100.00, and if I cant prove to you that it's real in about 3 minutes, the Williams pack is yours. >>

/ $0.02

lawnmowerman · December 26, 2007 11:38PM

<< 

<< So what happened with the three minute bet?

Did Allen win the Ted Williams pack?

Disclaimer: I'm not personally questioning the authenticity of the item, I'm just curious what happened with the bet. >>

I decided that he wasn't worth 3 minutes of my time. >>

samspop · December 26, 2007 11:39PM

Allen...will you do a live break of the Williams pack on the board?????

That would be cool....

neenish · December 27, 2007 12:22AM

I'm no way an autograph expert, but I haven't seen a Wade Boggs auto where the "B" actually looks like a "B" in "Boggs". I thought he usually scribbled the letter like on the Sweet Spot autos.

TJMAC · December 27, 2007 12:35AM

Very nice looking pieces!!!! Thanks for taking the time to scan your collection and share it with us. I really like the triple crown litho. Frank Robinson is so underrated.

OnlyThe10s · December 27, 2007 12:41AM

mmync, Thanks for sharing your items (weather authentic or not).

Maybe you shouldnt have said anything about a bet though....

I say round one goes to Allen.

perkdog · December 27, 2007 1:13AM

Very nice stuff! Thanks for sharing...

Still trying to understand the bet smack talk though...

DrJ · December 27, 2007 1:23AM

Nice pieces if real, but I have to agree that the triple crown lithograph is questionable. I have both Mantle and Robinson signatures from the same time frame and your Robinson appears off from what I received live.

Thanks for sharing though.

J

larryallen73 · December 27, 2007 2:19AM

MMYNC-
I have no clue (nor really care) if your items are real or fake. I think we all have items that we did not get autographed in person that we wonder about. However, you made a bet and you lost the bet by not proving to us that they are real. I hope you pay Allen for taking your bet. Please don't make any more bets if you are not comfortable paying when you lose. It's just sad when people make bets and then don't pay up.

larryallen73 · December 27, 2007 2:23AM

I have a little more to say. I think this really underscores the problem in our hobby. People spend so much for "game used" and "authentic autographs" but in reality a high percentage are FAKE. Guy paid a ton of money for these items, several people with knowledge tells him they are likely fakes and he goes on wanting to think they are real. I have a couple of old autographed baseballs I have always wondered about. I think I will go on thinking they are real by now showing you guys the pictures!

ripkenintheminors · December 27, 2007 2:27AM

I'm not concerned with whether they are real or not. However, if I had something that was a fake I would want to know. In fact, that has happened to me with my Ripken Charlotte card, thus bringing about one of the coolest sites on the internet!

theczar · December 27, 2007 2:31AM

PSA/DNA can give you piece of mind. It may cost you a few bucks, but why take chances?

It is a tough crowd on this board for a new guy. If you don't have thick skin you probably should not post, nor make foolish wagering proposals that you have no interest in following through with. Sadly there have been too many scammers recently and people need to be on guard.

The rule of thumb is that if "it ain't" third party certified by a reputable authenticator then "it ain't".

TJMAC · December 27, 2007 4:09AM

I think he may have been a little upset with the feedback he was getting that is what caused him to make a bet. I don't want to speak for him, but we all do foolish things sometimes and we should just forgive him and move on. Besides, I would be upset too if I put something on the board to show off to other collectors and then the authenticity of the items come into question. Not for nothing, but he did not ask for them to be authenticated.

I know the board tries to be helpul and I respect that, but sometimes it seems as if people get off on bursting somebody's bubble. If that is not the case, I apologize, but that is the problem with the written word. We do not always know the author's intention.

Why not just welcome him aboard and let him find out on his own if the autographs are real or not.

OnlyThe10s · December 27, 2007 4:27AM

I bet a 1959 Fleer Ted Williams Wax pack that you're right, TJMAC.

Seriously though, you make an excellent point. That's why I simply said thanks for sharing (weather authentic or not).

He did kinda ask for it with the bet though.

ebayaddict · December 27, 2007 4:35AM

<< I think he may have been a little upset with the feedback he was getting that is what caused him to make a bet. I don't want to speak for him, but we all do foolish things sometimes and we should just forgive him and move on. Besides, I would be upset too if I put something on the board to show off to other collectors and then the authenticity of the items come into question. Not for nothing, but he did not ask for them to be authenticated.

I know the board tries to be helpul and I respect that, but sometimes it seems as if people get off on bursting somebody's bubble. If that is not the case, I apologize, but that is the problem with the written word. We do not always know the author's intention.

Why not just welcome him aboard and let him find out on his own if the autographs are real or not. >>

Ditto!

TJMAC · December 27, 2007 4:54AM

I am not that confident, how about a pack of 89 Topps baseball?

cwazzy · December 27, 2007 4:55AM

<< I am not that confident, how about a pack of 89 Topps baseball? >>

Hold on there big spender! We're not all made of money you know!

Chris

OnlyThe10s · December 27, 2007 4:59AM

<< I am not that confident, how about a pack of 89 Topps baseball? >>

Make it 86 and you have a deal.

Allen · December 27, 2007 5:00AM

Some of my collection favorites to share. I had them out laying on my desk ready to ship his choice of the 2 if he posted a picture of Mantle signing that litho or a PSA/DNA certificate that goes with it. I guess my downfall is being too honest and telling people what they do not want to hear. If someone posts a bunch of 1975 was packs they just got from a beer bong shop in CA, I am going to tell them that they may have cause for concern. I guess honesty is a great trait if you are a boy scout or a government witness, but not here on the board. I was not trying to diss his collection and I didn't say that in my first post because it had already been mentioned in a previous response that it wasn't meant to be throwing cold water in his face. When he makes a bet and has proof I am willing to take the bet. I will bust the Ted Williams pack in a live break on the board.

OnlyThe10s · December 27, 2007 5:10AM

Here comes Round #2! DING DING

oaktown · December 27, 2007 5:11AM

Cool stuff if real, but unfortunately for the OP, the Triple Crown litho and the Brett/Mattingly/Boggs look very suspect. Maybe the OP can do a quick opinion or email Richard Simon and get some idea of authentication.

Ironmanfan · December 27, 2007 5:17AM

and who knows what exactly is in that Ted Williams Fleer pack (I'm guessing Garbage Pail Kids cards or '88 Donruss..lol)

I suggest the OP role up the litho and put his "head in the sand" for another 20 years.

Ignorance is Bliss!

Ironmanfan · December 27, 2007 5:25AM

<< I'm not concerned with whether they are real or not. However, if I had something that was a fake I would want to know. In fact, that has happened to me with my Ripken Charlotte card, thus bringing about one of the coolest sites on the internet!

>>

Perhaps RITM who like to share who the person was that first told him his card was fake?

stown · December 27, 2007 5:39AM

OAKESY25 · December 27, 2007 5:49AM

I have to say that not at anypoint did I actually feel there was a real bet being made.. I think he was just stressing a point..
probably because he felt a little hurt by people questioning something that probably means a great deal to him as it should..
it is an awesome piece.. as far as it being real.. it looked good to me.. the only question is the beginning of micks signature was a little shaky..
and we all know the Mick and the "shakes" were probably not unheard of...
that being said.. someone posted that they would rather know it was fake.. if I had a mickey mantle autograph I loved and thought was real...
then it was real to me and thats all that is needed.. now if you are going to buy it.. then get proof.. but I say if it is real to him.. and he feels satisfied
when he looks at it.. and proud to own it.. who are we to take that away... also add.. that we all saw that jsa video about autograph authentication...
there are probably a lot of people out there that own some authenticated pieces of crap... anyway.. merry christmas.. thanks for the pics..
I would show it off with pride..

bob

perkdog · December 27, 2007 6:02AM

Thanks for sharing B!

mmync · December 27, 2007 7:34AM

A mom knows if a child is hers or not and she doesn't need anyone to confirm that for her, just as I know if what I have is real or not. I could really care less about what someone at psa thinks or what anyone else thinks. I am sure that there authentication process is highly accurate, but in all reality it still is just an educated guess and it's impossible for them to be more certain then I am of if the 4 autographs are real or not. This is not something that I just got, not something that I bought off of ebay, not something that I need to be reassured of, but most importantly not something that I am even thinking of trying to sell. It something that I know is pretty rare and that you dont see every day, and I thought it would be something worth sharing with you because you would be able to really appreciate the meaning and history behind it a little more then my Grandma and aunts and uncles where able to when I pulled it out for the first time in 15 years on Christmas eve. If or when I decide to sell it, then it will make sense for me to send it in to psa or whom ever else, but until then I dont see the point in spending the money to tell me something that I already know. There are other ways of getting things signed then standing in line at a card show or hanging over the rail at a baseball game. For instance I went to a catholic grade school from K-8, our school principal's name was Sister Mary Gehringer, her uncle was Charlie Gehringer. For some people, getting his autograph may have been an impossible mission, but for me it could of been as easy as getting on a school bus. I used to race radio controlled cars and at that time I worked in a hobby shop in Rochester Hills, Mi. and one of our regular customers was Mickey Lolich. He used to get together once a week with some of his friends and they used to race remote control cars together and one day he asked me if I would be interested in building and repairing his cars for him, so I did. And by they way, one day I did ask him who the one person he feared pitching to the most was, and his answer "Oh, without a doubt Mickey Mantle" My ex-girlfriend's name was Kristin, she lived in Florida and was a flight attendant for Spirit Airlines. Well, I live in Michigan and she ended up breaking up with me because she said that she could never live in Michigan because of some health problems that she had. Well, she now lives in Michigan, only about 15 minutes away from me with her new husband Nate Robertson from the Detroit Tigers. Another one of my ex-girlfriends used to baby sit Steve Yzerman's kids. I have learned alot from you guys so far and I thank you, but I am not here to prove anything to anyone and you are free to believe what ever you want. I would love to learn a little more about the Mattingly piece by Craig Pursley.

lawnmowerman · December 27, 2007 7:48AM

<< A mom knows if a child is hers or not and she doesn't need anyone to confirm that for her, just as I know if what I have is real or not. >>

Congrats! When did you give birth to them? I don't think I would have used this analogy. It just doesn't make sense.

<< This is not something that I just got, not something that I bought off of ebay >>

So what you are saying is , you have always had this and it's always been a part of you? This is really getting corny.

Where did you buy it?

MooseDog · December 27, 2007 7:50AM

Not passing judgement here, but -

The Triple Crown litho is most likely good. Stuff like that was getting pumped out with ferocity in the early 1990s; however the Mattingly/Brett/Boggs I doubt would pass muster with any of the major authenticators.

MooseDog · December 27, 2007 7:56AM

Oops! I hit send a little too prematurely. What I meant to say was that signed lithos with themes such as this were pretty common and lots of legit stuff was produced under contract with the players. Also, many sports artists capitalized on the boom in memorabilia sales in the 1990s. Mantle's sig looks a little shakey, but fact is he might have signed 10,000 things that day and maybe he was just tired. The Robinson and Yaz are definitely good, and the Williams, well, only John Henry Williams knows for sure.

If one were to take up mmync on his bet and submit it to third party authentication, my money would be on mmync.

Allen · December 27, 2007 9:13AM

I was once racing radio controlled cars at my public junior high school with a friend who was the pitcher for our little league team and I asked him who was the hardest player to pitch to and he said "Billy Roberts, he is really good and can hit anything." and my junior high school principal, Mr. Perkins , whos great uncle was also named Mr. Perkins and he delivered mail to people and they used to call him "mailman" I am not sure why they called him that but I think it had something to do with the fact that he delivered letters to them in exchange for income. Billy Roberts walked in and he bet me that his remote control car was signed by Mickey Mantle and I said, I do not think that it is. He said I bet you it is and I can prove it in about 3 minutes and I will bet you my $800 card against your $175 card. I said ok your on. He then just stood there as me and my girlfriend who swore she would never move to michigan with me watched on. He didn't say anything or do anything and three minutes passed by. I said, Billy you have not shown me any proof and he said, I decided your not worth 3 minutes of my time. I then said ok well then give me your card since you lost the bet. He didn't say anything and pretty much just welched on his bet. Mr. Perkins explained to Billy that you cannot just shoot your mouth of and make a bet no matter how hurt your feelings are or how much you don't want to hear what someone is telling you. Billy just hung his head and began to ramble on about some story about mothers and children and such. Mr. Perkins told Billy that sometimes pride gets the better of us and that you have to be a man and pay up on your bets because there is nothing in this world worse than a welch. Billy then said something about it not really being a bet and he was just making a point and kidding around. I will never forget the sound that his hand made when I hit it with the hammer, it was horrible. A few years later after my girlfriend moved away to michigan and my friend was the best pitcher in the state and billy roberts was finishing up his 15th surgurey and years of rehab to learn to use his fingers again, me and Mr. Perkins went to see Billy and boy did he yell when I smashed his hand with that mallet for the second time. Then Mr. Perkins looked at me and gave me the best advice I have ever been given he said, "Son, always be a man and pay your bets." As I walked out of the room he said "Oh yeah, one more thing kid. If you ever tell this story on a message board, be sure to indent your paragraphs. If you don't you will look like a retard."

swartz1 · December 27, 2007 9:36AM

Allen -

Nice arod's ...

70chip · December 27, 2007 9:41AM

Allen, I feel bad for Billy, 15 surgeries??? WOW.....Hows he doing now?

oaktown · December 27, 2007 9:48AM

<< I was once racing radio controlled cars at my public junior high school with a friend who was the pitcher for our little league team and I asked him who was the hardest player to pitch to and he said "Billy Roberts, he is really good and can hit anything." and my junior high school principal, Mr. Perkins , whos great uncle was also named Mr. Perkins and he delivered mail to people and they used to call him "mailman" I am not sure why they called him that but I think it had something to do with the fact that he delivered letters to them in exchange for income. Billy Roberts walked in and he bet me that his remote control car was signed by Mickey Mantle and I said, I do not think that it is. He said I bet you it is and I can prove it in about 3 minutes and I will bet you my $800 card against your $175 card. I said ok your on. He then just stood there as me and my girlfriend who swore she would never move to michigan with me watched on. He didn't say anything or do anything and three minutes passed by. I said, Billy you have not shown me any proof and he said, I decided your not worth 3 minutes of my time. I then said ok well then give me your card since you lost the bet. He didn't say anything and pretty much just welched on his bet. Mr. Perkins explained to Billy that you cannot just shoot your mouth of and make a bet no matter how hurt your feelings are or how much you don't want to hear what someone is telling you. Billy just hung his head and began to ramble on about some story about mothers and children and such. Mr. Perkins told Billy that sometimes pride gets the better of us and that you have to be a man and pay up on your bets because there is nothing in this world worse than a welch. Billy then said something about it not really being a bet and he was just making a point and kidding around. I will never forget the sound that his hand made when I hit it with the hammer, it was horrible. A few years later after my girlfriend moved away to michigan and my friend was the best pitcher in the state and billy roberts was finishing up his 15th surgurey and years of rehab to learn to use his fingers again, me and Mr. Perkins went to see Billy and boy did he yell when I smashed his hand with that mallet for the second time. Then Mr. Perkins looked at me and gave me the best advice I have ever been given he said, "Son, always be a man and pay your bets." As I walked out of the room he said "Oh yeah, one more thing kid. If you ever tell this story on a message board, be sure to indent your paragraphs. If you don't you will look like a retard." >>

Simply classic.

theczar · December 27, 2007 9:59AM

A mom knows if a child is hers or not and she doesn't need anyone to confirm that for her, just as I know if what I have is real or not. I could really care less about what someone at psa thinks or what anyone else thinks. I am sure that there authentication process is highly accurate, but in all reality it still is just an educated guess and it's impossible for them to be more certain then I am of if the 4 autographs are real or not.

Interesting point of view.

I had set up at a show as a weekend warrior. A father of a friend of mine came in with a book "Who's who is baseball from 1939". He wanted to sell it. He grew up as an orphan in St. Louis and used to be a knothole kid at the Browns games. It had the entire American Leagues' photos and there was an autograph near each one of them. He wanted me to buy it from him and I told him I did not have enough to make him a fair offer. Bottom line he said "give me $200, I know you'll take care of it". That was in 1989, I still have the thing and a few years ago I forked up the money to have a PSA/DNA test. I knew the guy would not lie about how he got the autographs, but I wanted to be sure.

It came back about 60% authentic and the rest signed by clubhouse attendants which was customary back then. The seller never knew this, he did not fabricate a story but a good number were not real. Many HOFers were real and it was certainly worth $200. I now know the truth.

If you don't believe that there are experts in the field of autographs you are very, VERY naive. Spend the money, get it authenticated and then come back to this board and rub it in to our faces. Until then I have doubts.

Here is a case where someone was 5000% sure of authenticity and they were wrong.

Some of my collection favorites to share.

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