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WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
Our local county history museum was on the verge of collapse recently. The board had grown old, a little out of touch, causing membership to decline, which led to a downward spiral over the last decade. I and several other "younger" people were asked to join and shake things up. That included removing virtually everything currently on display, which I and the other new members have been doing ever since.

A couple of nights ago the new president of the board emailed to ask if I'd take a look at a coin collection. Shocked me, because I've seen almost everything in the museum over the last several months. Turns out this collection was given to us about 16 years ago, promptly locked in a safe, and forgotten.

I showed up last night before our scheduled board meeting with my Red book, loupe, and a pack of non-PVC flips expecting as I'm sure most of us would a collection of worn steel cents, some parade tokens and medals from the 1970s, etc.

The president opened the safe and began taking out binders. Great, I thought. They looked like the kind of "US Postal Society" first day cover collections you see on late night TV and home shopping channels. Brown cover, matching set of maybe 8 or 10 binders.

I opened the first one and...

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And then

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And then

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And then

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Page after page, binder after binder of some of the most interesting coins and coin-related items I'd ever seen in person.

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Turns out the donor had been a world traveler, and his focus had been the most interesting things people around the world and throughout history had used as money. Corwry shells, trade beads, bullet money. Katanga crosses, siege money, knife money, wire money, arrowheads. Tok, sycee, cash, porcelain gambling tokens, encased postage, money trees. Everything documented, carefully copper-wired into the pages of these binders.


And a few pieces, like "sword money" and pieces like this:
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Simply too large to be included in the binders.

A partial inventory:

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My immediate gut reaction was that it couldn't all be real. Way too much of the stuff we read about as kids to be authentic. But the US die, the US silver bars certainly are. The few other pieces I'm familiar with looked real. They don't have that "made for collector" look at all.

So...

Thoughts? Real? Fake?

Ever seen pre-manufactured binders like these of reproductions that would dispell the entire collection? If not, thoughts to value based on the partial inventory above? Anything jump out as incredibly rare that warrants larger/better images (noting that I only snapped a few photos of the ~ 100 total pieces).
Any info, advice, suggestions, comments greatly welcomed.
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Comments

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow - way outta my comfort zone, but very cool stuff.
    I can see where the Redbook, Greysheet, grading guides, and even Krause catalogs would be of little help.
    Good luck with it.
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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you photograph the plate money from Sweden? That is one of my little side specialties and it would be interesting to see what you have.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,885 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very intriguing. From what little I can deduce from the pics provided, the stuff on the "cartwheels" page (British cartwheel, Japanese 100-mon, and Russian "whopper copper" 5K) look real enough to me. I'm unqualified to judge on the rest. I'm sure it was refreshing to not see circ steel cents and a '64 Kennedy half.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea if they are real or fake but, if real, they could have considerable value. A friend of mine auctioned off most of his "odd & curious" money collection he had formed in the 1970s and 1980s about a year and a half ago. Nearly everything did exceptionally well. The one item that did not do well was listed as being of questionable authenticity by the auctioneer. My friend was certain it was real but any uncertainty kills the value of such items. The auction was held in Hong Kong but he consigned through a US firm. You will need to find an expert in the field before going any further.
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suspect that the binders were put together by the collector. we are an anal group and we do things that appear similr to what you have, complete with incorrect spelling of "dye" and others I'm sure you'll see if you read everything closely. if it was a marketed collection there would be some acknowledgement to help advertise who they were.
  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, everyone. I emailed the president and asked him to send the pictures he took as well. I'll post more as they become available. Keep the comments coming image

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  • JebJeb Posts: 122
    Very cool.
  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    It would be interesting to research the western silver bars. I recall there was some controversy over whether the silver bars in the John Ford collection were fakes. But what a collection. Have fun.
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would call Stacks and/or HA and find their Odd & Curious money experts. You could have a decent windfall for your museum. Lots of this stuff is faked, but I see nothing obvious in this. The key is if he left provenance on dates of purchases. Also you need that in case there are any legal issues on things like the pre-columbian stuff.
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  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    Just thinking in the last photo of weights gold, this item looks produced, whereas in the first group the pages look homemade.
    There's a good possibility of a mix of authentic and tourist materials.
    That's an interesting group to find, that's for sure.
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool stuff!

    Must be exiting.



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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,603 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cool hand poured silver!



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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW! Really interesting stuff.
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  • PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have used Dave Nazzaro of information on early silver bars and coins.

    I hope this helps you.
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 4.16 oz silver bar was valued at $5.36, which works out to $1.29/oz. - this was the price of silver up until 1964 if I'm not mistaken.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jmski52
    The 4.16 oz silver bar was valued at $5.36, which works out to $1.29/oz. - this was the price of silver up until 1964 if I'm not mistaken.


    Identical bar sold at HA in 2008 for $862.
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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Best thread in a long time. Thanks!

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    This guy was a serious collector!

    So what will your county museum do with the collection?

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very unique and impressive..... what a find... keep us posted on what transpires. Cheers, RickO
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Genuine dye! Was that used to strike toners?image
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