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Most overvalued cards in the hobby

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    RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    t206 Wagner
    52 topps Mantle


    Sorry!
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    itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    well. not Albert.

    he's an overvalued Angel now. image
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    JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you measure cards by the statistics a player put up, many cards are over valued, but since values are also based on popularity, no cards are overvalued or undervalued.

    I am thankful that the guy I collect, Killebrew is (to my thinking) undervalued. His rookie is in the same set as Clemente and Koufax and his cards are much more affordable.

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
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    vettfanaticvettfanatic Posts: 643 ✭✭✭
    52 Topps Mantle
    1986-87 Jordan (Theres just so many of these out there)
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    DarinDarin Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Easily the 52 topps Mantle.

    Oh, and maybe the 2006 topps Alex Gordon, because it sure seems like a lot of them are turning up now. Maybe not as scarce as first thought, or some good counterfeits? I'm not sure.
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    gemintgemint Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lower grade 1952 Topps #1 Andy Pafko's. I can see the high grade ones carrying a hefty premium but I'm not sure why low grade examples sell for a premium.
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    << <i>Lower grade 1952 Topps #1 Andy Pafko's. I can see the high grade ones carrying a hefty premium but I'm not sure why low grade examples sell for a premium. >>



    Because of inexperienced collectors and beckett. I know I've made that mistake before I was told that a low condition Pafko is valued the same as a low condition common.
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    JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I didn't think of that gemint, probably could add all low grade first and last cards of all the "vintage" sets.

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
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    MattyCMattyC Posts: 1,335 ✭✭
    I guess a solid definition of "overvalued" for the discussion is needed for clarity. If overvalued means a card that, say, "sells for far more than one would assume," or a card that one "thinks should sell for less than it does," then I still don't see how the 52T Mantle or Jordan 86F can be "overvalued."

    Citing the sheer population of number graded is specious reasoning at best-- because the demand for/popularity of the cards far outstrips the supply of examples with eye-appeal. Simple population/supply is only part of the overall equation in determining value.

    There are also far too many sales in the cards' histories supporting their value at current levels. In contrast, a card with a thin market or little history like say a 21,000 dollar Jeremy Lin would in my estimation be way overvalued. In its heyday, I'd say the 1989F Ripken errors that were selling for tons were WAY overvalued-- and time has borne this out. Another great example of an easily overvalued card would be hot rookies du jour like circa 1990 Kevin Maas, 1988 Gregg Jefferies, or today's equivalents. These are cards where the causes behind their value are very volatile and just not that solid.

    Circling back to the 1952T Mantle and 1986F Jordan, these two have been embraced by the overwhelming majority of the hobby. These are iconic images of two of the premiere players in their sports, if not all of American popular culture. Demand has met supply at a level that determines high prices, sure.

    While I am a firm believer that the 1951 Bowman Mantle-- his true RC-- sells for shockingly less than one would assume at first, I don't believe the 1952 is overvalued. Look how many ugly examples constitute the majority of examples out there-- beaters that may have charm in the best cases, but most have a marred image of the subject, or just brutal centering that wrecks eye appeal. Same for the 1986 Jordan Fleer-- many examples out there, but clearly there is not one Jordan RC in an eye-appealing, centered state for every collector who wants one.

    Sometimes the intense popularity and demand connected to a card trumps their seemingly common population number, and I think this is the case for both the 1952T Mick and 1986F Jordan. I also think that there is-- sometimes-- a natural tendency, a subconscious psychological urge, to try and knock down certain seminal cards. I remember desperately trying to convince myself that the 1986 Jordan Fleer card wasn't "all that." That his second year card was so undervalued, and that was the one to have. I was right I believe in identifying a value in the 2nd year card, but I was just rationalizing when it came to poo-pooing the first one, because I think deep, deep down I wanted it.

    The Pafko #1 in low grade I think is a very interesting subject, when it comes to overvalued cards. When it comes to batting around the notion of overvalued, I guess one of the things to ask is, "Exactly what factors are supporting the value of the card?" This bleeds into the subject of low pop commons commanding huge premiums due to The Registry. The first example to hit market sells for a ton, but we almost always see subsequent ones arrive, even if years later, and when there are only two factors determining value (population and number of guys competing on the Registry), odds are that first common to sell is overvalued-- the subsequent ones sell for much, much less. Compare that scenario to key star cards, where the market is deeper and broader and the player pictured is the main pillar supporting the value.
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    handymanhandyman Posts: 5,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rookies from 2012?
    Did I win?
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    2012 topps squirrel
    Scoreboard Malfunction
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    matt flynn cards, wait until he starts sucking in seattle than it will show rodgers future in 5 years
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    olb31olb31 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lebron

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    Beck6Beck6 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭
    +1 on Andy Pafko

    That card is the most graded card in the set I think.
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    T222's PSA 1 or better
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    I agree with Mantle being overvalued(sorry Baby Boomers) but Jordan's Fleer RC demand will continue to grow over time. He's just as popular now as he was when he played. He is part of American culture BUT his popularity extends worldwide. As for current cards, any Bowman Chrome autograph card that goes for over $30.
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    I always thought that Eddie Murrays rookie was overvalued - either that or the rest of his cards are undervalued.
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    shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,644 ✭✭✭✭
    1965 Topps Joe Namath rookie. As overrated as the player.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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    otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>1965 Topps Joe Namath rookie. As overrated as the player. >>



    How come I knew this was inevitable?
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    TomiTomi Posts: 643 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>1965 Topps Joe Namath rookie. As overrated as the player. >>



    How come I knew this was inevitable? >>



    When you throw more interceptions than touchdowns in your career and still make the HOF, then most likely you are overrated.
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    GB5HOFGB5HOF Posts: 590
    Anything Tebow
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    MinorLeaguerMinorLeaguer Posts: 551 ✭✭✭✭
    1989 UD #1. Over a million printed!
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    shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,644 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i><< 1965 Topps Joe Namath rookie. As overrated as the player. >>

    How come I knew this was inevitable? >>



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    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
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    fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    1959 Topps Everett Lamar Bridges.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
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