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Guess the grade of this 1790 Charles IIII 8 escudo...

bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
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First year with Charles the IIII on obverse....

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    ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    Au 55
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Was guessing 53 here.
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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EF45 or AU50


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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weakly struck AU 53-55, imo.
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    percybpercyb Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭✭
    xf 45. Sorry. There's too much noise on this one I'd guess to be AU
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    OchoRealesOchoReales Posts: 1,500 ✭
    AU 53 or 55
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    55
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    candy2012mustangcandy2012mustang Posts: 479 ✭
    50
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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, so I have some time today to be slightly confrontational....lets try to figure this out together here now shall we?

    As I see it besides the scalp/hair and all you have an almost worn down bow, lapel and front cloth flows...you got no luster at all ..no AU surfaces.. obverse luster moment is from flash..(great picture btw!!) ..and that's not even going to the reverse side as I see even the pooch had a rough day.

    My stupid eyes see a circulated piece here, and I'm not trying to give Bidask a hard time but if this was indeed or gets into an AU holder...do you guys really see AU55 here... as the majority posted?






    EDited for typos and typosimage
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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ok so I have some time today to be slightly confrontational....lets try to figure this out together here now shall we?

    As I see it besides the scalp/hair and all you have an almost worn down bow, lapel and front cloth flows...you got no luster at all ..no original surfaces.. obverse luster moment is from flash..(great picture btw!!) ..and that's not even going to the reverse side as I see even the pooch had a rough day.

    My stupid eyes see a circulated piece here, and I'm not trying to give BidA a hard time but if this was indeed or gets into an AU holder...do you guys really agree see AU55 as the majority posted here? >>

    Well I thought the picture picks up the surfaces
    pretty well ......tell us why you don't think the surfaces don't look
    original and if you thought the picture is great I was surprised
    you thought no luster....the strike....well I am not to familiar
    with these to comment...
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sorry I edited that word - I didn't mean original - its def original !
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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    My WAG is EF40.
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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My assumption of an AU comes from the fact that I'm used to a certain way Bidask does photos that wash over the surface highlighting details and not always the underlying luster. Combined with a weak strike on the shield, i took the lack of detail on the portrait to be due to a weak strike.
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
    Not sure what is going on with the reverse, but it appears that it was struck that way. Looks weakly struck in the center of the obverse, but it had some nice lustre and not much actual wear. AU55 is my guess.
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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys are good!

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    I give away money. I collect money.
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    percybpercyb Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭✭
    You received a favorable grade. Very nicely done!! I wouldn't have given it an AU, but then I think I'm terribly rigid in my assessment.
    I just don't see the AU, but then, I'm not hired to grade coins...and rightfully so it appears. LOLimage
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    AndresAndres Posts: 977 ✭✭✭
    In the slab, it looks like a much better quality image AU 53 now looks OK.

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You received a favorable grade. Very nicely done!! I wouldn't have given it an AU, but then I think I'm terribly rigid in my assessment. I just don't see the AU, but then

    Agreed though how can this piece be graded AU53 alludes me.


    The holder picture DOES have a better overall look!!

    Bid has this been recently graded or years ago?

    The industry is beginning to suck - sorry I'm just getting discouraged !

    When Bidask goes to sell this newp he will get 45 money - and probably paid AU53 bucks!

    Sorry if I irked anyone - I really do not mean to - promise!
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, the grade is quite appropriate and was my blind guess. This coin is softly struck in many areas and has luster over much of the surface. It does have handling/stacking marks which drop its grade but I see very little in the way of actual wear.
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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You received a favorable grade. Very nicely done!! I wouldn't have given it an AU, but then I think I'm terribly rigid in my assessment. I just don't see the AU, but then

    Agreed though how can this piece be graded AU53 alludes me.


    The holder picture DOES have a better overall look!!

    Bid has this been recently graded or years ago?

    The industry is beginning to suck - sorry I'm just getting discouraged !

    When Bidask goes to sell this newp he will get 45 money - and probably paid AU53 bucks!

    Sorry if I irked anyone - I really do not mean to - promise! >>

    It was graded early 2011..

    Actually its a rare coin if you believe in the pops of NGC and PCGS

    I bought it raw so I paid a very fair price....less than 53.

    And when I go to sell it will I will ask greater than Krause XF 45......oh maybe by 10-20%....image
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    I give away money. I collect money.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45

    Edit: I posted that before scrolling down to see the revealed grade.

    I guess those who said "weakly-struck AU" were right. I wondered about that.

    What an impressive chunk of gold. The romance of a full "doubloon".

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    FilamCoinsFilamCoins Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭

    Spectacular coin! Eye appeal is off the charts. AU seems fair to me. Weak strike, honest wear or both? Do you do your own pics?

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Spectacular coin! Eye appeal is off the charts. AU seems fair to me. Weak strike, honest wear or both? Do you do your own pics? >>

    The pictute was done by COINPICTURES.

    This coin is nice in hand but its also the type that really attracts me!
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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