Earliest ANA "Certificate"
CaptHenway
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Today while paging through the 1967 "The Numismatist" set I found in the July issue, P. 865, under "Notes & Queries" an announcement that the ANA had instituted a coin registration service.
THe format is very similar to the Washington, D.C. ANACS certificates, and it seems obvious to me that the ANACS certificates were copied from this.
The certificate #1 illustrated showed a 1794 silver dollar registered to Matt Rothert, the outgoing President. Has anybody ever seen one of these?
I will try to post a scan of the article in the next day or two.
TD
THe format is very similar to the Washington, D.C. ANACS certificates, and it seems obvious to me that the ANACS certificates were copied from this.
The certificate #1 illustrated showed a 1794 silver dollar registered to Matt Rothert, the outgoing President. Has anybody ever seen one of these?
I will try to post a scan of the article in the next day or two.
TD
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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ANA Registration certificate from 1967.
Closeup of certificate. Notice that it says that it is not a guarantee of authenticity. Similar in format to the original Washington, D.C. ANACS certificates. The extra round design in the upper right-hand corner is a Notary Public seal.
End of the article. linky3
Thanks for finding this info and posting it. I find all of the facts about the ANA very interesting.
But being the ANA is over 120 years old (since 1891), some of the earily years they must of had different locations.
Bob
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Bob
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<< <i>I believe that this worthwhile and much needed service was a stillborn idea that never got to become a reality at ANA headquarters on dedication day, June 10, 1967, in Colorado Springs. >>
I am curious as to how many they ever did, but assume that the records are lost. They don't even have the ANACS records from when I was there.
Jim
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Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Bob
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Lane
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>Is this it? >>
I think so.....
I don't have an account with them. sold Jan, 6 2001 at Heritage
Thanks, Bob
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From the time when Matt Rothert owned it in 1967 to the 2001 auction? I am assuming that this was the last time it was auction, but maybe not, it is the only time HA sold it. I guess it would be allot of research to go thru auction records from all companies. And this might not have come from the Rothert family since there is no mention of ever being certified by ANACS in the coin description.
Just a thought
Bob+
From the HA description.
"1794 $1 VF 20 Field Repaired. B-1, BB-1, the only known dies. The 1794 is perhaps the most popular early dollar in U.S. numismatics, except for the legendary and costly 1804. Of course, the first-year 1794 is also an expensive coin, and only about 2,000 pieces were produced from a single pair of dies. Several of these coins did not meet the government's weight specifications and were melted, leaving a total mintage of only 1,758 pieces. The number of extant examples is subject to speculation, but we take Bowers' estimate (per Jack Collins) of 120-130 coins. Most survivors grade below the Fine level, and several examples are impaired to one degree or another. That said, we call attention to the VF representative that we are offering in this lot. This coin is certainly not perfect, but the overall eye appeal is quite pleasing. Both sides display charcoal-gray toning that lightens to a slate-gray shade over the devices. The central devices are well detailed for the grade, but the left peripheries are typically weak for the issue. The right obverse field was smoothed over in a probable effort to efface graffiti. Remnants of what appear to be letters are faintly visible behind Liberty's portrait at certain angles. In addition, the coin may have been holed through star 2 and the A in STATES. If this is the case, then the plug was expertly executed. A not unattractive coin despite the impairments, this rare silver dollar is worthy of a solid bid. (#6851)"
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I still think that this is a very interesting, it is good to have The Numismatics for the record. I have found my old issues very helpful.
Thanks,
Bob
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Ed. S.
(EJS)
Rome's Prices Realized shows it at $3,600. The estimate sheet in the catalog showed $3,000 to $5,000. It was called F-VF with all the problems being mentioned.
Maybe the owners certificate was the only one ever done. Would think someone might remember seeing others in going through collections if there were more. Hopefully it will turn up at the ANA sometime rather than being permanently lost.
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