Colonial folks; question about the 1820 North West Company beaver token

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 7:02AM

  Typically graded - problem coins end up in genuine holders.
  
  Look at Heritage if you want to see examples.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 7:05AM

  That one looks pretty scrubbed with graffiti - no description of why they call it a "discovery" piece??

  "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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• kiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 1:13PM

  
  
  << <i>That one looks pretty scrubbed with graffiti - no description of why they call it a "discovery" piece?? >>
  
  
  
  Maybe the discovered it metal detecting? I think almost all of them were.

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• ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 1:20PM

  That Token was issued "holed". Its noted, but as far as holes go, PCGS dosent count that as a negative on this particular piece since its 'as struck'.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 1:46PM

  The price isn't all that unreasonable - this one for example sold for $2300 on Heritage.
  
  

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• Dentuck Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭

  January 29, 2012 11:20PM

  You'll see a dandy unholed specimen on the cover of Whitman's new Guide Book of Canadian Coins and Tokens:
  
  
  
  The Red Book discusses these tokens on page 74 of the 2012 edition.
  
  Canadian Coins and Tokens goes into more detail (see page 46) and discusses several varieties.
  
  

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• Walkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2012 12:16AM

  Isn't there only one unholed specimen known?

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• messydesk Posts: 20,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2012 12:39AM

  I think they're almost all holed at 12:00 on the obverse, and barring other issues, such a token will get in a graded holder. CRO guys or JK will confirm this.

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• DCW Posts: 7,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2012 12:46AM

  There was a nice northwest token on heritage two weeks back. That was graded VF 25. Went unsold, but asking price was $10k.
  Most pieces are ground finds, and the majority of encapsulated pieces ive seen have been net graded with your usual corrosion, pitting, etc that befits a coin nearing 200 years of age.
  Many of the surviving population comes from a hoard found in the 1970's in a Native American burial site. Apparently it was a popular tradition amongst the tribes to bury their dead with some earthly treasures to bring along into the afterworld, and these northwest company tokens are sometimes encountered.
  Very cool pieces of history and expensive in ANY grade.

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• Walkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 30, 2012 1:46AM

  And I'm guessing that those remaining tokens that are still entombed in burial sites will likely stay that way, as the laws today are far more restrictive.
  
  But you never know what may turn up from other sources. An elderly dealer friend of mine recently came into possession of a decent sized hoard of Can bank tokens
  found in an attic of an old house. These were all dated pre-1835 (not the typical Bank of Montreal, etc pieces) and most of them were XF-AU.
  
  

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• NewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭

  January 31, 2012 9:28AM

  The problem free examples of this tough type do grade normally at PCGS even with the hole as the were holed when made. There are two or three unhooked examples known, but they rarely every trade hands.
  
  Most examples are found with various stages of environmental problems as a group was found many years ago In a riverbed and as such were exposed to the elements for over a century. They are great historical items and are always in demand no matter what their condition is.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭

  January 31, 2012 1:55PM

  Here's one I had in my collection but sold last year. Lot's of wear but nice surfaces.
  
  

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• ColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭

  February 1, 2012 1:48AM

  PCGS grades this type but designates it as HOLED on the slab label. Note there are two different PCGS coin#'s for the brass and copper variants:
  
  
  

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