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"According to that survey which was sent to a group of U.S. Mint customers, 2012 Silver Eagle Sets could include the aforementioned 2011-S Uncirculated Eagle and/or a 2012-S Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle."
Really? More 2011 S uncirculated eagles possibly? I thought it was a 25th set item only.
<< <i>So a 5-coin set at $125...I wonder what they're using as a forecast value for silver? I know...it doesn't say how many coins in the set. >>
Does not say 5-coin set.
Fractional Silver Eagles would have been nice.
<< <i>Fractional Silver Eagles would have been nice.
I second that!
<< <i>Baseballcardization. >>
I agree.
To wit, collector fatigue and the resulting market implosion seem to be a real concern.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
I updated the title to reflect our cumulative expectation
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<< <i>Baseballcardization. >>
This
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This seems to have the potential to head into an extremely gimmicky direction.
Maybe that will be 2013
To heck with the mint.
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First off, I don't collect moderns and don't like them.
I have recently seen a lot of posts with the "older" generation being concerned as to the future of coin collecting due to lack of interest.
Seeing the crazy hype that the 25th set created, and seeing a lot of younger collector's get caught up in it (including myself who doesn't even collect them), if nothing else, through all the hype, maybe it will continue to stir the pot and keep collecting alive.
Yes, maybe this baseball card or beanie baby type marketing isn't the greatest for coin collectors as a whole, now...but if it saves coin collecting as a whole I think it could work.
On the other hand, if it doesn't maintain interest and interest new, younger collectors...I think it will be a complete failure.
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<< <i>Baseballcardization. >>
Bingo, we have a winner!
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I collected baseball cards religiously until people started thinking they were worth something. It was buy a pack of one of 85 brands or sub-brands of cards and if you don't get the super autographed, gold foil, piece of the guy's jockstrap and sample of his DNA card then you lost. Throw the cards away and try again. It was no longer collecting, it was scratch-and-win.
I preferred the 1950's Bowman sets. 1 card per player, per year. I really hope they don't pollute this nice, simple series with an anniversary set every other year.
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Is this really very different from "try to get through and get an order in before they sell out and even better game the system by having all your friends get some too so you can scoop up more than your fair share, and then if it doesn't sell out and they all go up, send the non-potential 70s back to the mint for refund, then submit all the potential 70s, then sell the non-70s for break even or small loss, then cash in on the 70s, plus whatever extra you can get for First Strike, autographed label, flag label, plus/shield label, liimited edition certificate of authenticity double secret rare label"?
baseballcardization, indeed
question: are the genuine, rare, old baseball cards still doing ok, or is the market for them dead, too?
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<< <i>I suggest a special sub-forum be set up just for them.
And a sub-forum for classic coins, too!
A few years ago, Russ sold a Honus Wagner card for me on ebay for $750. I paid $70 for it in the late 1980's. The old stuff is still very much in demand. Of course, most of it's slabbed now, too.
Does anyone share my feeling of foreboding that so many different types of SAEs along with a dozen different labels from both of the major TPGs will push this series over the cliff?As it stands,the label is becoming just as important as the coin to some.I think that I hear the rotund lady getting ready for the finale.JMHO
<< <i>Does anyone share my feeling of foreboding that so many different types of SAEs along with a dozen different labels from both of the major TPGs will push this series over the cliff?As it stands,the label is becoming just as important as the coin to some.I think that I hear the rotund lady getting ready for the finale.JMHO >>
Perish the thought! Collector and investor interest and resources for these items is virtually unlimited. We are not even in the third inning.
Example 18 different labels
And that's just for the bullion coin !!!!!!!!!
If no one played baseball, how would Honus be worth?
<< <i>Great! Now if we can just get numerous kinds of packaging configurations, perhaps with the options for signatures of the pressman running the dies, the packager placing them in the capules, and the shipping clerk, we'll be all set!
Collecting coins used to be fun.
Not anymore!
It is just a money grab and I am done with it after 60 plus years of collecting.
<< <i>I don't understand why anyone would get upset with more choices in anything. Just collect what you want. Or is it just the obsessive compuslive demons in some that force them to buy everything that hits the market and it is costing them too much and making them grumpy? >>
Nothing would be more destructive to the hobby than the obsessive compulsive who finally realizes his/her sickness has been exploited beyond toleration, and seeks a cure.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
Hello? Don't you remember that most make out like bandits on these limited, restricted Mint offerings???
If you have a F&F network, its mana from heaven (now EVERY YEAR!).
Applying snooty limitations to modern Silver Eagles?? Blah.
Maybe I am in the minority here, but putting lipstick on these pigs not
only creates excitement in the hobby (as evident by board Frenzy), it
drives business to our hosts and creates profit opportunities for those
connected to the game.
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<< <i>Baseballcardization. >>
Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in?
Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in?
Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in? Is the new Beckett's in?
If this continues into 2020, they'll have the opportunity to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the opening of the CC mint by making some CC-mint marked ASEs.
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<< <i>Great! Now if we can just get numerous kinds of packaging configurations, perhaps with the options for signatures of the pressman running the dies, the packager placing them in the capules, and the shipping clerk, we'll be all set!
Collecting coins used to be fun.
Not anymore!
It is just a money grab and I am done with it after 60 plus years of collecting. >>
If they do this then I would not be surprised if after 2 or 3 years of low sales they swing back to normal like they did in 2009 after the 2008 crazyness. What I am saying is that there is a somewhat self regulating force that keeps the Mint in line. Of course it is government and often economic forces get ignored.
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<< <i>Great! Now if we can just get numerous kinds of packaging configurations, perhaps with the options for signatures of the pressman running the dies, the packager placing them in the capules, and the shipping clerk, we'll be all set!
Collecting coins used to be fun.
Not anymore!
It is just a money grab and I am done with it after 60 plus years of collecting. >>
I can understand how you feel and I'm beginning to feel the same way.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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Excluding the 20th and 25th sets typically collectors have only had to buy three coins a year (bullion, proof, and burnished). We're talking a whopping $150 a year for ASEs in total. The mint is simply asking if they should offer different proofs, sets, burnished coins, etc. yet folks are carrying on as if we're going to have 30 choices next year. As if the choices are going to dilute demand and/or interest. So what if the mint gives two or three more ASEs per year? At that point you're talking about a half dozen coins that will cost less than $500 per year. That's an amount that even a McDonalds employee could afford...
The real issue here IMO has more to due with the TPGs than anything else. The very confusing mint attribution labels combined with the FS/ER choices makes buying ASEs confusing for anyone just starting out. The graders are giving the market what the market wants I guess, but personally I think the number of labels offered for ASEs is approaching lunacy and that's not good for the hobby IMO. For example I remember seeing multiple auctions for the 2011(S) coin shortly after the 25th sets shipped where the sellers mentioned the 25th set, but were selling the attributed bullion coin. Yes those sellers were crooked as they intended to deceive, but make not mistake the few newbies that they rooked will probably stop collecting the moment they realize they were ripped off. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'm much more worried about the label game with moderns than I am having two or three more ASEs to buy a year.
<< <i>Some of you guys are hysterical... The mint is simply considering expanding the ASE product line as it's one of their most successful lines of all time and it seems people are clamoring for more. You guys stating Baseballcardization are either not evaluating this clearly IMO, or your disdain for moderns simply won't allow you to say anything positive regarding them... >>
MC, I enjoy moderns as well as classics. I also enjoy money. I was on the ground in baseball cards when Topps, Fleer, and Donruss expanded their product lines because people were clamoring for more. I have also seen what has happened over at the Royal Canadian Mint.
But you are probably correct. The demand and capital for these ASEs is limitless, and this time is different. Now, I gotta run to order my bullion coin with the 18 packaging options, in quadruplicate, one for myself, one for each of my kids, and one to flip.
I can understand how you feel and I'm beginning to feel the same way.
Was it ever NOT a money grab? I guess it is just more obvious now.
>>>But you are probably correct. The demand and capital for these ASEs is limitless, and this time is different. Now, I gotta run to order my bullion coin with the 18 packaging options, in quadruplicate, one for myself, one for each of my kids, and one to flip.
I guess sarcasm is easier than cogently refuting my prior post line by line...
Excluding the 20th and 25th sets typically collectors have only had to buy three coins a year (bullion, proof, and burnished). We're talking a whopping $150 a year for ASEs in total. The mint is simply asking if they should offer different proofs, sets, burnished coins, etc. yet folks are carrying on as if we're going to have 30 choices next year. As if the choices are going to dilute demand and/or interest. So what if the mint gives two or three more ASEs per year? At that point you're talking about a half dozen coins that will cost less than $500 per year. That's an amount that even a McDonalds employee could afford...
The real issue here IMO has more to due with the TPGs than anything else. The very confusing mint attribution labels combined with the FS/ER choices makes buying ASEs confusing for anyone just starting out. The graders are giving the market what the market wants I guess, but personally I think the number of labels offered for ASEs is approaching lunacy and that's not good for the hobby IMO. For example I remember seeing multiple auctions for the 2011(S) coin shortly after the 25th sets shipped where the sellers mentioned the 25th set, but were selling the attributed bullion coin. Yes those sellers were crooked as they intended to deceive, but make not mistake the few newbies that they rooked will probably stop collecting the moment they realize they were ripped off. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'm much more worried about the label game with moderns than I am having two or three more ASEs to buy a year.
Some of us are old guys and have seen this movie before, with Franklin mint, with US stamps, with Cards, with Comics, with many novelty "collectibles". And you know what?
Young fellers all hot and involved making money in that stuff said exactly the same kind of things you're saying above. Nevertheless, suppliers just CANNOT RESIST oversupplying and killing the market. Now, these being silver, maybe they're somewhat insulated, but us fogies also remember the silver crash of 1980-81 and the two decades of flat silver prices. As RYK said, maybe this time is different, and the laws of supply and demand will not apply, if collector interest in these levels off, or ever begins to decrease
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
Wow, you guys must have big families. I guess that means I got a Chinese knockoff.