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1796 Dollar, no way it is real right?

No way right?

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  • Questionable authenticity - Details: Cleaning
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bust off centered is 1795 only.

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  • That's what I thought, my local dealer bought it as real, seriously! image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake and not a very convincing one. Looks typical of what's coming out of China these days.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Compared to a lot of the fakes on Ebay, this small eagle dollar is pretty darn good.
    They even put dirt around the devices! Looks too good to be a Chinese fake.
    But the bust being left of center is tough to get around.

    roadrunner
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  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭
    I am by no means an expert, but that does not look real to me either.
    New England Rarities...Dealer In Colonial Coinage and Americana
  • It is silver and weighs correct
  • Whats he asking? I may take a swing at it.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Probably struck at the same "mint" as this one:

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    Russ, NCNE
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chinese counterfeits come in different qualities. THis is one of the better quality fakes, but because they make their master hub from one particular die variety and then make working dies with different dates from it they are easily detected.
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  • Russ, looks like the same master die as the stars seem the same.
  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

    Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate
    except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.

    Try to show a large closeup of the date.
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  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

    Here's a real 1795 B-14 to compare, courtesy of CoinFacts.

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  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭

    Yep, it's fake. Here's some more.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,764 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate
    except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.

    Try to show a large closeup of the date. >>



    I have seen 1795, 1796 and 1797 counterfeits all derived from one 1795 coin. They made an obverse hub and used that to make some 1795 dies. They then removed the 5 from the hub (or made a separate hub with a partial date) and copied the 9 upside down as a 6 to make a 1796 die(s). Then they copied the 7 to make a 1797 die(s). The same reverse die(s) was used with all.

    TD
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom,

    So is this one of the $2-400 fakes?

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    This is definitely a Chinese counterfeit. There are two depressions near the top of Liberty's
    throat, a series of depressions connecting the eagle's neck to the right wing, and a series
    of depressions to the left of the first 'S' in STATES that resemble an 'X'. There are a number
    of additional diagnostics, but these are the easiest to see.

    This counterfeit began life as a fake 1795, then they altered the die (or dies) to 1796.

    If I remember correctly, there was an article in Coin World a few years ago listing all the
    markers for this fake.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice luster
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Braddick got it right. the Chinese forgers keep using an off-center die with various dates added, failing to observe that it was only used for one year.

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