Fake and not a very convincing one. Looks typical of what's coming out of China these days.
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Compared to a lot of the fakes on Ebay, this small eagle dollar is pretty darn good. They even put dirt around the devices! Looks too good to be a Chinese fake. But the bust being left of center is tough to get around.
Chinese counterfeits come in different qualities. THis is one of the better quality fakes, but because they make their master hub from one particular die variety and then make working dies with different dates from it they are easily detected.
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Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.
<< <i>Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.
Try to show a large closeup of the date. >>
I have seen 1795, 1796 and 1797 counterfeits all derived from one 1795 coin. They made an obverse hub and used that to make some 1795 dies. They then removed the 5 from the hub (or made a separate hub with a partial date) and copied the 9 upside down as a 6 to make a 1796 die(s). Then they copied the 7 to make a 1797 die(s). The same reverse die(s) was used with all.
TD
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This is definitely a Chinese counterfeit. There are two depressions near the top of Liberty's throat, a series of depressions connecting the eagle's neck to the right wing, and a series of depressions to the left of the first 'S' in STATES that resemble an 'X'. There are a number of additional diagnostics, but these are the easiest to see.
This counterfeit began life as a fake 1795, then they altered the die (or dies) to 1796.
If I remember correctly, there was an article in Coin World a few years ago listing all the markers for this fake.
Braddick got it right. the Chinese forgers keep using an off-center die with various dates added, failing to observe that it was only used for one year.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
They even put dirt around the devices! Looks too good to be a Chinese fake.
But the bust being left of center is tough to get around.
roadrunner
Russ, NCNE
Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate
except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.
Try to show a large closeup of the date.
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Here's a real 1795 B-14 to compare, courtesy of CoinFacts.
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Yep, it's fake. Here's some more.
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<< <i>Look at it closely, it may be a contemporary altered coin of a 1795 B-14, BB-51. Both the obv & rev look accurate
except for the date being altered to a 1796. The rev should have seven berries, 4 inside & 3 outside.
Try to show a large closeup of the date. >>
I have seen 1795, 1796 and 1797 counterfeits all derived from one 1795 coin. They made an obverse hub and used that to make some 1795 dies. They then removed the 5 from the hub (or made a separate hub with a partial date) and copied the 9 upside down as a 6 to make a 1796 die(s). Then they copied the 7 to make a 1797 die(s). The same reverse die(s) was used with all.
TD
So is this one of the $2-400 fakes?
throat, a series of depressions connecting the eagle's neck to the right wing, and a series
of depressions to the left of the first 'S' in STATES that resemble an 'X'. There are a number
of additional diagnostics, but these are the easiest to see.
This counterfeit began life as a fake 1795, then they altered the die (or dies) to 1796.
If I remember correctly, there was an article in Coin World a few years ago listing all the
markers for this fake.
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