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AMYBODY ELSE WANT TO REPORT A SHILL BIDDER
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I tried for months to get ebay to do something after I realized how much this shill bidder cost me. Look for SN with 402 feedback.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120829702525?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120829702525?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
The issue that feepay might have is the fee avoidance for cancelled 'sales' and for not paying a reserve fee. Other than that, I doubt feepay has a problem with what is going on and neither do I.
<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
You would not believe whaty caused me to investigate. I bid on one of his coins...then another bidder(who I suspect was trying to out him) bid 6 times against me in $25 increments. His last bid finally exceeding my high bid. Then he retracted his last bid...I didn't know ebay would let you do that.This happened in the last hour of the auction. This left the winning the item at my high bid. I contacted the seller...told him I would pay what my bid would be without this bidder. No way Jose he said! I told him to cancel my other 3 winning auctions as well. This is after I had spent 5 figures with this seller! The funniest part is when he resold said coins he ended up getting about $100 less for the group than if he had agreed to my proposal!
I completely agree ebay allows it because I'm sure he just eats the fees. This shill bidders feedback has been at 402 for at least 6 months now! I spoke with 3 different ebay reps about this over the course of about a month...all saying this is not allowed and they would persue it! Yeah RIGHT! And yes...I do avoid the seller...just gripes me because when I sell on ebay...it goes for what it goes for. Just think if everybody used a shill bidder....think that would kill ebay?
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
The issue that feepay might have is the fee avoidance for cancelled 'sales' and for not paying a reserve fee. Other than that, I doubt feepay has a problem with what is going on and neither do I. >>
Sounds like you have a shill bidder in your ranks as well from that statement!
<< <i>When I was a newby I bought about 2K worth of "raw" coins from the seller. 1 out of 15 graded a common ms64 Morgan.
The rest came back body bagged. >>
Yeah...his pictures do have to be carefully scrutinized...I did get some nice coins from the guy....albiet at the top of the market prices.
No one is that good.
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
You would not believe whaty caused me to investigate. I bid on one of his coins...then another bidder(who I suspect was trying to out him) bid 6 times against me in $25 increments. His last bid finally exceeding my high bid. Then he retracted his last bid...I didn't know ebay would let you do that.This happened in the last hour of the auction. This left the winning the item at my high bid. I contacted the seller...told him I would pay what my bid would be without this bidder. No way Jose he said! I told him to cancel my other 3 winning auctions as well. This is after I had spent 5 figures with this seller! The funniest part is when he resold said coins he ended up getting about $100 less for the group than if he had agreed to my proposal!
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What was said here makes no sense. If the seller is using a shill to run up the bid prices, where was the shill when the items were resold? Did the shill win the second time as well?
The name is LEE!
Total bids: 100
Items bid on: 100
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 100%
It certainly looks like a shill, BUT the fact that all of their transactions have been with this seller is not conclusive proof. I know of one personally who was suspected of being a shill because they were buying exclusively from a single seller. They were not a shill.
Edit: Just saw this:
<< <i>This shill bidders feedback has been at 402 for at least 6 months now! >>
That moves it more firmly in to the probable shill column.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
You would not believe whaty caused me to investigate. I bid on one of his coins...then another bidder(who I suspect was trying to out him) bid 6 times against me in $25 increments. His last bid finally exceeding my high bid. Then he retracted his last bid...I didn't know ebay would let you do that.This happened in the last hour of the auction. This left the winning the item at my high bid. I contacted the seller...told him I would pay what my bid would be without this bidder. No way Jose he said! I told him to cancel my other 3 winning auctions as well. This is after I had spent 5 figures with this seller! The funniest part is when he resold said coins he ended up getting about $100 less for the group than if he had agreed to my proposal!
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What was said here makes no sense. If the seller is using a shill to run up the bid prices, where was the shill when the items were resold? Did the shill win the second time as well? >>
Copy and Paste of my 2nd Post answers your question:
Look at the high bidder if he still is(S...N 402 feedback). I have been following this guy for months. I even saw this sn guy win the same coin twice! for more the 2nd time(and shill it the 3rd time). He has 100 bids with the seller and 100% of his activity is with the seller. I have seen his bid count near 300 with the seller. Check the complete listings also. He doesn't bid on everything...just what need a push.
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
You would not believe whaty caused me to investigate. I bid on one of his coins...then another bidder(who I suspect was trying to out him) bid 6 times against me in $25 increments. His last bid finally exceeding my high bid. Then he retracted his last bid...I didn't know ebay would let you do that.This happened in the last hour of the auction. This left the winning the item at my high bid. I contacted the seller...told him I would pay what my bid would be without this bidder. No way Jose he said! I told him to cancel my other 3 winning auctions as well. This is after I had spent 5 figures with this seller! The funniest part is when he resold said coins he ended up getting about $100 less for the group than if he had agreed to my proposal!
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What was said here makes no sense. If the seller is using a shill to run up the bid prices, where was the shill when the items were resold? Did the shill win the second time as well? >>
Copy and Paste of my 2nd Post answers your question:
Look at the high bidder if he still is(S...N 402 feedback). I have been following this guy for months. I even saw this sn guy win the same coin twice! for more the 2nd time(and shill it the 3rd time). He has 100 bids with the seller and 100% of his activity is with the seller. I have seen his bid count near 300 with the seller. Check the complete listings also. He doesn't bid on everything...just what need a push. >>
Then simply stay away from the seller.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
The issue that feepay might have is the fee avoidance for cancelled 'sales' and for not paying a reserve fee. Other than that, I doubt feepay has a problem with what is going on and neither do I. >>
Sounds like you have a shill bidder in your ranks as well from that statement! >>
Sorry to disappoint you but I don't sell on feepay and when I did no auction was ever shilled but if I knew you were bidding on one of my auctions I would change that policy just to run you up.
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<< <i>I see what you mean-Great detective work. That seller has been selling "estate" coins for many years. Maybe that bidder is one of the seller's alter-egos. I don't ever recall buying anything from him over the years. The problem is that even if the ID is naru'd by Ebay he could just start another one. Ebay realizes that if they naru him they are losing revenue so they may be lax in giving him the boot, even if they know he is doing it. Why not just avoid that seller if you know that you will never get any deals from him? JMO-Bob >>
You would not believe whaty caused me to investigate. I bid on one of his coins...then another bidder(who I suspect was trying to out him) bid 6 times against me in $25 increments. His last bid finally exceeding my high bid. Then he retracted his last bid...I didn't know ebay would let you do that.This happened in the last hour of the auction. This left the winning the item at my high bid. I contacted the seller...told him I would pay what my bid would be without this bidder. No way Jose he said! I told him to cancel my other 3 winning auctions as well. This is after I had spent 5 figures with this seller! The funniest part is when he resold said coins he ended up getting about $100 less for the group than if he had agreed to my proposal!
I completely agree ebay allows it because I'm sure he just eats the fees. This shill bidders feedback has been at 402 for at least 6 months now! I spoke with 3 different ebay reps about this over the course of about a month...all saying this is not allowed and they would persue it! Yeah RIGHT! And yes...I do avoid the seller...just gripes me because when I sell on ebay...it goes for what it goes for. Just think if everybody used a shill bidder....think that would kill ebay? >>
Don't give up hope. You may be suprised by eBay. Take a look at what happened to neyronix after he was finally caught and sanctioned by eBay for shilling:
neyronix
and he was a much bigger fish than blueridge1
<< <i>I clicked on the link to neyronix, but I don't see what happened to him. Please explain so I can enjoy. >>
He is no longer selling/listing any coins on eBay. His eBay store has been closed down. His shill bidding accounts, adams21 and samuel100elm have also been stopped. I'm not sure how long his ebay suspension is, but, it is nice not seeing him listing 100's of 99 cent shill auctions every Sunday.
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<< <i>I clicked on the link to neyronix, but I don't see what happened to him. Please explain so I can enjoy. >>
He is no longer selling/listing any coins on eBay. His eBay store has been closed down. His shill bidding accounts, adams21 and samuel100elm have also been stopped. I'm not sure how long his ebay suspension is, but, it is nice not seeing him listing 100's of 99 cent shill auctions every Sunday. >>
samuel100elm
The name is LEE!
<< <i>There is an eBayer with the handle billshidder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill must feel shad...