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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe the 56 type B is the toughest to find in any grade, regardless of the population reports. I have dozens of raw 57-64, but only one raw 1956. By the way, the POP for 1956 in PCGS MS66 will go up by two when I get around to having mine attributed. I now have an extra one in PCGS MS65 if anyone is interested. I still need 61 and 64 to complete my MS66 set. They will be tough to come by! >>




    Considering that Mitch made the only 2 '61 MS66's les than a year ago, those are in very strong hands. The '64, with only 2 in 66 and 2 in 67, I'd think THOSE are in very very strong hands. Though, I do have the same issue, docg.


    Your '56 in MS66...is it in a PCGS unattributed holder, another holder, or raw???
    I'll come up with something.
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Considering that Mitch made the only 2 '61 MS66's les than a year ago..."

    I gave one to the fellow who owns the best set of Ty B/C's in the land ... so neither coin is likely to be going anywhere soon.

    Congrats Notsure on the slabbing of that 56-P!! Amazing score!!

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  • << <i>Congrats chipper10 on a great find and maybe a 100 post giveaway image You know Ken You had to go and mention the 1964 Proof 55 image I will never show a picture of your old C if you do not mention the proof lol. One of these days I will get that coin in the hands of someone who can tell me if its a proof or not, and that was bought off ebay as a type B another lesson maybe? But thanks to another member dimtorts he sent me another 64 that I need to get in to complete my set, and than its just upgrades from there. I think this has been a fun set to put together and its really not an expensive one And agree there have been many before us to find these and its good to see some new members drawn in Enjoy tom imageimage >>



    imageYou know, the 100 post giveaway sounds like a fun thing to do. The person who posts the 100th post will recieve a randomly chosen 1960 Type B Washington Quarter from a BU roll after they are deemed to have the 100th post and PM me their addy. Let's get her done though fella's, I'm working 12 hrs Christmas day and 12 hrs. Monday so if it is not done by tommorow early afternoon I won't be able to get it mailed until at least Tuesday.There's no use in me having a roll and a half +1, might as will give away the 1. Merry Christmas I'm doing the giveaway within this thread instead of starting a new "giveaway" thread because I think that would give the best chance for someone who is interested in type b's to get it. Is that acceptable or do you guys think I should start a dedicated giveaway thread?
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"Considering that Mitch made the only 2 '61 MS66's les than a year ago..."

    I gave one to the fellow who owns the best set of Ty B/C's in the land ... so neither coin is likely to be going anywhere soon.

    Congrats Notsure on the slabbing of that 56-P!! Amazing score!!

    Wondercoin >>



    Mitch, when I saw the pops rise, and saw 2 had been made in 66 (I have followed, and kept a spreadsheet, updated once a WEEK. on the pops, grades of the Type B and C for pretty much 2 1/4 years now. I can tell you the exact week, and what grades the coins had, for the last over 2 1/4 years.

    I thought you might have been the 'culprit' (in a very respectful way...lol). Then, when you made it official, I knew you would sell one (I have a very good idea of who it is), I knew the second one would get tucked away in your collection. I knew that once you had something to do with it, those 2 would stay in very strong hands for the long haul....that was one helluva hit, man, as I had gathered up a handful of MS65's, as that was top pop grade...I was ready to get enough to make the market for them....that was until YOU came along!! lol!

    Thanks on the '56 compliments. Once I traded my first one (the one I plucked off Heritage for, what, $260?, when the pop was 2), the coins traded were big coins. After trading that one 66 off, I was determined to make another MS66. Took ALOT of searching, then came this unattributed piece, developing nice, liight toning, on ebay. BIN'ed at a non Type B price, it was mine. Seller supplied nice images...I have held off grading it for about a year....I just kept looking at it and grading it (seemed every day, but was actually 2-3X a week), wanting to make certain. Once I was 100% certain this coin would come back a 66, that's when I sent it in.

    Oh, if your customer loves/prefer toned coins, you might want to talk to me about that '58 in 66 I I just made...image
    I'll come up with something.
  • <<You got a 1956 Type B in MS66?>>

    Maybe. I don't know. I have BU 1956 B's but never had any graded. I think most of my 1956 B's are in a plastic tube in a SD box and haven't been looked at in decades. It is time to remedy that. I probably don't have decades left.
  • <<I am PRETTYsure ProofArtworkonCircs has alot more info on the 'where these were mostly found' than the obvious 'they are 'P' mint coins, they should be found predominantly in eastern banks'. Thats ONE man that has really done his homework.>>

    I would guess that 1-2% of the circulating silver quarters at the end of the silver era were type B's on the East coast. Check the mintage numbers for 1957-1964. Denver made many more quarters than Philly. Thus there were a lot of D quarters in the East. 1957 B's were quite common compared to other dates. 1958's were a very low mintage, but I suspect your odds might be good of finding type B's in an original roll.



  • << <i><<I am PRETTYsure ProofArtworkonCircs has alot more info on the 'where these were mostly found' than the obvious 'they are 'P' mint coins, they should be found predominantly in eastern banks'. Thats ONE man that has really done his homework.>>

    I would guess that 1-2% of the circulating silver quarters at the end of the silver era were type B's on the East coast. Check the mintage numbers for 1957-1964. Denver made many more quarters than Philly. Thus there were a lot of D quarters in the East. 1957 B's were quite common compared to other dates. 1958's were a very low mintage, but I suspect your odds might be good of finding type B's in an original roll. >>



    Well I checked 4 original Federal Reserve wrapped rolls last night and got 61 type B's in two rolls. You probably alread read this but I figured I'd post it again and push the thread one closer to 100
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the current holder, early alpha-numeric holder. I believe the coin will 66 without much trouble.

    image

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ah, it was a '69-D Type B you grabbed, it was in Oct. I saw it while it was still active, but passed. Next day, I decided to grab it....gradeable or not, at least I would have hade one. But when I went to grab it, it was gone. >>

    I confess. It was me.

    In the future if you see one of those, just do it or else somebody else will! image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • Here is an item for chipper10 that he might find interesting. It was originally another proof only design.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&amp;threadid=697723&amp;highlight_key=y&amp;keyword1=type m

    This was a proof only design in 1968 used on most of the 1968S. It was later used on a minority of 1969 and 1970 circulation strikes. I find it quite interesting. It will probably never catch on as it has no rarities in the series although 1970 Philly is pretty tough to find. 1970 D in the coin trade are usually this type.

    I called it type M, but the Cherrypicker's Guide now calls it a type G.

    What we are calling Clad Type B is now Type H in the CPG. Type H has centerlines in the tailfeathers like other clad quarters of that period.
    Otherwise it looks just like a type B.
  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting love these old threads.....your thread And also found this one interesting..........Another Good Old thread on the subject. Great idea for a giveaway Chipper10 and I look forward to seeing some out of those rolls...Enjoy tom image
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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ah, it was a '69-D Type B you grabbed, it was in Oct. I saw it while it was still active, but passed. Next day, I decided to grab it....gradeable or not, at least I would have hade one. But when I went to grab it, it was gone. >>

    I confess. It was me.

    In the future if you see one of those, just do it or else somebody else will! image >>



    Lee...THAT is advice I will follow!!! If I'm not mistaken, didn't that seller have all 4 dates for sale, in similar condition??



    I'll come up with something.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is an item for chipper10 that he might find interesting. It was originally another proof only design.

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&amp;threadid=697723&amp;highlight_key=y&amp;keyword1=type m

    This was a proof only design in 1968 used on most of the 1968S. It was later used on a minority of 1969 and 1970 circulation strikes. I find it quite interesting. It will probably never catch on as it has no rarities in the series although 1970 Philly is pretty tough to find. 1970 D in the coin trade are usually this type.

    I called it type M, but the Cherrypicker's Guide now calls it a type G.

    What we are calling Clad Type B is now Type H in the CPG. Type H has centerlines in the tailfeathers like other clad quarters of that period.
    Otherwise it looks just like a type B. >>




    Does this mean our hosts will now start slabbing the clads??
    I'll come up with something.
  • <<Does this mean our hosts will now start slabbing the clads??>>

    Good question. They are described in the CPG and their rarity is listed. However they are not listed or priced with FS numbers.
    It reminds me of their Red Book treatment - described, not individually listed.

  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭
    Just received my coins back. Great service, quick shipping (especially considering the holiday crush of extra mail/packages).

    I must say, these pronged rings, well, I'll just say I'm not happy with non-edge incused coins being housed in these pronged rings. I believe the pronged rings should only be used when necessary....ie, for coins with edge lettering. Is it possible to request I get them back in the solid ring, when they go back for variety attribution next week?
    I'll come up with something.
  • 1tommy1tommy Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow thats a good question I had heard Dimeman talking about those but I figured they were on the dimes, Sure hope all there holders aren't going that way. And really surprised as to no formal announcement promoting these new holders, and not asking the customers. I only need one more sent in for the B type and I really want the normal holder to match the whole set. Guess a phone call this next week and will find out.. ...... Enjoy tom
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=UayFm2yCHV8
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    Link to My Registry Set.

    https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469

    Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow thats a good question I had heard Dimeman talking about those but I figured they were on the dimes, Sure hope all there holders aren't going that way. And really surprised as to no formal announcement promoting these new holders, and not asking the customers. I only need one more sent in for the B type and I really want the normal holder to match the whole set. Guess a phone call this next week and will find out.. ...... Enjoy tom >>



    Tom, I do remember that topic coming up from DIMEMAN, but thought nothing about it when I sent these in....I never thought these would come back in pronged holders. I do believe these should only be used for edge lettered coins.. After all, they were introduced only due to the Prez dollars, if I'm not mistaken???

    Agreed about a set with all the same rings, and also agree with a call to CS in regard to this.
    I'll come up with something.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tom...I HATE that coin (and 'you suck' for showing it to me...lol image ). I had put that one out of my mind!!! lol Don't show it to me again!!! (I deleted it from my files, it ticks me off so much...lol...but I TOLD you it was a 63, and I'm glad we could work out a fair deal..... well, it WAS a fair deal till they gave YOU the 63 on it...LOL...image ). It travels a few thousand miles, and goes from an ANACS MS63 to PCGS AU58, back to a PCGS MS63. It HAD to be because YOU were the submitter!!!

    I'm STILL way serious about having YOU send in the '58 that DNC, and that '62 that came back MS65....you do seem to have a hot hand, when submitting (except for that '64 proof 55 fiasco! lol). >>

    I remember that one Ken! You sure got handed a woopin stick!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Ah, it was a '69-D Type B you grabbed, it was in Oct. I saw it while it was still active, but passed. Next day, I decided to grab it....gradeable or not, at least I would have hade one. But when I went to grab it, it was gone. >>

    I confess. It was me.

    In the future if you see one of those, just do it or else somebody else will! image >>



    Lee...THAT is advice I will follow!!! If I'm not mistaken, didn't that seller have all 4 dates for sale, in similar condition?? >>

    I wouild rather you NOT tell me that!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Tom...I HATE that coin (and 'you suck' for showing it to me...lol image ). I had put that one out of my mind!!! lol Don't show it to me again!!! (I deleted it from my files, it ticks me off so much...lol...but I TOLD you it was a 63, and I'm glad we could work out a fair deal..... well, it WAS a fair deal till they gave YOU the 63 on it...LOL...image ). It travels a few thousand miles, and goes from an ANACS MS63 to PCGS AU58, back to a PCGS MS63. It HAD to be because YOU were the submitter!!!

    I'm STILL way serious about having YOU send in the '58 that DNC, and that '62 that came back MS65....you do seem to have a hot hand, when submitting (except for that '64 proof 55 fiasco! lol). >>

    I remember that one Ken! You sure got handed a woopin stick! >>




    It only turned into a wooopin' when I cracked it out, sold it to Tom as an AU, and it comes back as a nice, snuggly MS63 for him!!! I wanted to give a woopin' when I saw that (not to Tom)!!!

    As far as the '69 clad B (apparently now called Type H in the new CPG) you grabbed, that seller, I'm 99.9% certain, had all 4 dates up, but I believe the other 3 were in better, perhaps gradable, condition, hence that '69-D still being available as long as it was.
    I'll come up with something.
  • <<As far as the '69 clad B (apparently now called Type H in the new CPG) you grabbed, that seller, I'm 99.9% certain, had all 4 dates up, but I believe the other 3 were in better, perhaps gradable, condition, hence that '69-D still being available as long as it was. >>

    Wow! NotSure is quite sure. I also quite agree. I also think there was a strong connection to this thread by hellgee:
    http://forums.collectors.com/searchresults.cfm?requesttimeout=500

  • dlmtortsdlmtorts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭
    Other than that one time talked about here, I don't recall ever seeing Clad Type B's up for sale before.

    I believe ProofArtworkoncircs is correct about the connection with the thread he mentioned.




    Edited to correct my mistake.
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What about these?
    Worth sending in or not high grade enough?


    image


    image >>



    Steph...first off, happy holidays!!

    Now....for your question. Unless these two dates are in MS66 (or better), I don't think they are CURRENTLY worth the grading/attribution/shipping fees. I don't see the '60 as a 66......the chatter on the jaw and cheek on the obverse, with the hits behind George, with the few hits on the reverse, I see it as a 65, but not 66 (I could be wrong...anything can happen on any day).

    As for the '59, I see thre same outcome. They are really nice examples, don't get me wrong (and I'm a blast white lover, like ricko, and DO like both), but I don't think either will 66. They are very tight when sending in for grading/attribution at the same time. Unless you wanted to send them in, regular submission w/out variety, they may not tend to be as strict, but thats a big, expensive chance. Though, judging from the coins I've submitted, I am in the school of just not seeing them 66....I hate to say it, but just I don't.
    I'll come up with something.
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,757 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>steph...first off, happy holidays!!

    Now....for your question. Unless these two dates are in MS66 (or better), I don't think they are CURRENTLY worth the grading/attribution/shipping fees. I don't see the '60 as a 66......the chatter on the jaw and cheek on the obverse, with the hits behind George, with the few hits on the reverse, I see it as a 65, but not 66 (I could be wrong...anything can happen on any day).

    As for the '59, I see thre same outcome. They are really nice examples, don't get me wrong (and I'm a blast white lover, like ricko, and DO like both), but I don't think either will 66. They are very tight when sending in for grading/attribution at the same time. Unless you wanted to send them in, regular submission w/out variety, they may not tend to be as strict, but thats a big, expensive chance. Though, judging from the coins I've submitted, I am in the school of just not seeing them 66....I hate to say it, but just I don't. >>







    That's why I askedimage

    Back in the album they go........lol

    Thanks for the help!


  • I love varieties, but know nothing about these A, B & C quarters. Would it be possible for someone to post a pic of the 3 side by side so I can see the difference?

    Sure would appreciate it.image
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I love varieties, but know nothing about these A, B & C quarters. Would it be possible for someone to post a pic of the 3 side by side so I can see the difference?

    Sure would appreciate it.image >>



    dimeman, here you go......(can't get your old name/postcount back yet, or is 'that's that, fini'????)

    image
    I'll come up with something.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Nice scores and pics NotSure.

    Welcome dimeman, please feel free to join in the discussion more oftenimage
  • >>>dimeman, here you go......(can't get your old name/postcount back yet, or is 'that's that, fini'????)<<<

    Don't know yet. Can't talk to PCGS until tomorrow (Tuesday).image

    Hope to get everything back...would hate to start out a newbie with 0 post. I was almost to 5000.

    Thanks for the picks. If I didn't have such a big project going I might get in and play with you Washie guys.....looks neat. image
  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭
    dimeman, there's plenty of room in the sandbox for you to play with us!

    Just as an aside, my newly crossed unattributed Type B's are hitting the mail today to be properly attributed. In regard to the total costs, it IS costing me a total of $20 and change extra doing it this way ($8 for our hosts handling fee, plus the extra $$ in shipping...now that they are going in/coming back as Type B's, the shipping, naturally, is more due to the added value the variety brings), but for the possibility of added scrutiny for possible top-pops being made on such a difficult coin to make, I feel it's a pretty good way of spending an extra $20. They are solid for the grade, but, as we have seen, anything can happen. At least I know what WILL be happening....these WILL be coming back as attributed, with 2 being new top-pops. The '62 will give me a total of 1/3 of the total pop in MS65, with 2 in 66, 1 in 67 (with an unattributed one in PCGS MS67 floating around.....that coin should absolutely be attrbuted someday).
    I'll come up with something.

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