1958 Pancho Herrer - (Grade popped today see 1st post)

jwgators · December 23, 2011 10:43AM

The grade popped today:

EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1958 TOPPS 433 PANCHO HERRERA HERRER

I thought this had a good chance at a 7, but what do I know as an amateur. Think I should try to re-sub it?

milbroco · December 23, 2011 10:45AM

No but I need it for my collection. Worth about $5.00.

YES! I beleive that is the valuable card. Not sure of its value but it is the rare variation.

Nice Find.

bob

Downtown1974 · December 23, 2011 10:50AM

WOW!!!!! That belongs in the White Whale thread. Very nice. Im not sure the value, but I would get it in a slab before thinking of selling it.

bobsbbcards · December 23, 2011 11:00AM

PSA 7 - $7,202
PSA 6 - $5,705
PSA 5 - $2,319
PSA 4.5 - $1,979
PSA 4 - $2,000
PSA 3 - $909

Nice card! That looks like a nice 7.

jwgators · December 23, 2011 11:03AM

Holy sh..! Sending to PSA on Monday...

sam1952 · December 23, 2011 11:05AM

yes thats the rare error but it dose show a little bit of the A. copys with no A showing at all go for a ton of money but they are very rare.

WinPitcher · December 23, 2011 11:09AM

Nice!

eyebone · December 23, 2011 11:23AM

nice find. hope it can eke out a nm grade for you and your father.

eyebone

otwcards · December 23, 2011 11:24AM

Sweet, sweet find!!!

Blackie · December 23, 2011 11:38AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-Baseball-Pancho-Herrera-RARE-HERRER-ERROR-433-PSA-4-PHILLIES-/120824270005?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c21b00cb5

See above! Yes that is the error card and alot of us 58 Collectors need it. But for 2K.............I will just have a empty spot in the registry

fkw · December 23, 2011 11:47AM

the card is really a printing flaw, not a true variation

same with that modern no name Frank Thomas card....

a true variation is man made.......... ie 1969 Nettles with and w/o extra loop, 1979 Bump Wills, Billy "F%#k Face" Ripken, etc.

one day collectors will know this

and pay accordingly

better sell it quick

psychump · December 23, 2011 11:52AM

I made a lot of those cards when I was a lad.

Toro · December 23, 2011 1:08PM

Wow, sweet condtion on that card. Don't be afraid to post anything else!

jwgators · December 23, 2011 1:19PM

I will scan some more tomorrow. No stars from the 58s, but apparently he did not "play" with them that much and there are some 7-8 range commons in there. The 59s are a disaster and beat to heck. There will be some fun scans from there, chopped corners, chopped borders...

goose3 · December 23, 2011 1:29PM

Very cool find!

divecchia · December 23, 2011 1:56PM

Awesome find...

Good luck with the grading...

Donato

Toro · December 23, 2011 7:40PM

Looks like your Dad had a card worth a few grand in his collection. Let us know how it turns out. I'd recommend sending a PSA 7 plus to an auction house.

TonyC · December 23, 2011 9:13PM

Rare find and great condition, nice!

mlbfan2 · December 24, 2011 1:36AM

Nice!

The Twelve Rarest Post-WWII Baseball Cards ... by Brian Wentz (BMW Sportscards)
Card #3. 1958 Topps #433 Pancho Herrera Error. Until the insert card boom of the 1990s, this card could arguable be considered the rarest among all the regular issue singles that enjoyed nationwide distribution. It is doubtful that Mr. Herrera ever fathomed that his card would be more valuable than any other in the set (in Near Mint condition). A damaged die or blocked printing plate led to the "a" in Herrera being printed either very lightly or not at all on a small number of examples. To date, only five total examples have been graded (incredibly, one is Near Mint to Mint). Although not as widely collected as Hall of Famers Mays, Mantle or Snider, the Herrer(a) [sic] card is almost nonexistent in any condition. link

There's at least one "Herre" too. link

Dpeck100 · December 24, 2011 1:48AM

Wow what a Christmas present!!

That looks like a PSA 7 to me. Much stronger centering then the two copies posted and fairly strong corners.

Get that baby graded and then sold!

mealeworm · December 24, 2011 2:20AM

That is a great present. I would ship it off to PSA and pray for a 7, which i think it will get.

Good luck and great story.

OAKESY25 · December 24, 2011 2:43AM

WOW... congrats..

bishop · December 24, 2011 5:10AM

Congratulations. The card can be found with the "a" completely missing or partially. Yes it is a print defect, similar to the 57 Bakep or the 52 Campos black star , and while such print defects in modern cards are mostly ignored and have little value, the long recognition in the hobby and The Registry of the Herrer make it a safe value. Lots of folks have their favorite definition of what constitutes a "true variation", such as an intentional change to a card in the production process, but whatever it is, the Herrer is part of hobby lore such that if you want a master 58 set, you have to have it

Piggs · December 24, 2011 5:17AM

Great card and good luck with high grade as it looks great and well centered. Let us know how it goes. Doug

Blackie · December 24, 2011 5:25AM

Pancho Herrera, a former first baseman for the Philadelphia Phillies,
died on April 28th (2005) in Miami, Florida. He was 70.

Born in Cuba, he played for the Kansas City Monarchs in the Negro
League before his contract was sold to the Phillies in 1958. He was a
member of the 1952 Monarchs ... considered one of the all-time best
Negro League teams. Some of his teammates were Buck O'Neil, Sherwood
Brewer, Lefty Lamarque and Booker McDaniels.

In three seasons (1958, 1960-61) his career batting line is
31/128/.271.

In 1960, Herrera lost the Rookie of the Year Award to the Los Angeles
Dodgers first baseman ... Frank Howard by 8 votes.

However, Juan Francisco Herrera Willavicencio is best known for
setting (at that time) the National League record for striking 136
times during the 1960 season ... and for appearing on the rarest post
WWII single issue baseball card. The 1958 Topps card #433. Because
of a printing error the "a" at the end of his name was omitted or
blurred (depending upon the card). To many collectors this card is
more valuable than any Mantle, Mays or Williams. Less than ten are
known to exist ... and only one of those has been graded near-mint to
mint in condition.

After the 1962 season ... Herrera was traded to the Pittsburgh Pirates
for Don Hoak ... but he never played another major league game. He
lost his job in Philadelphia to Roy Sievers.

MantleMarisFordBerra · December 24, 2011 5:35AM

WOW! What a card, looks to be a 7.5 or an 8, maybe even an 8.5 on a good day. Either way MAJOR bucks...congrats, and keep us posted about the grading results.

man, you must of been a good boy this year for Santa to deliver that!

Beck6 · December 24, 2011 5:51AM

Wow! That is an amazing find. Please post the grade when you get it.

jwgators · December 25, 2011 1:42PM

More scans, no stars, but nice looking commons:

Piggs · December 25, 2011 1:44PM

Really nice cards Joel and very well taken care of. Congrats.

Dpeck100 · December 25, 2011 1:45PM

I think you have a few 8's in the bunch. I don't know anything about this set but a few of those are very nice and may be of interest to set collectors.

Congrats again on the major pull and good luck with the sale!

Blackie · December 25, 2011 3:34PM

Very nice 58's. Ive been woking on the set for over a year. The blue background cards are tough to find without some print dot blemish. Im woking in a SGC set and i can see a few 84's and 88's in those commons. Nice cards.

jwgators · January 3, 2012 5:04AM

hhmag70 · January 3, 2012 5:15AM

Would look perfect in a 6.5 slab, but still a great find from your father's collection, congrats.

Beck6 · January 3, 2012 5:27AM

That is a solid grade. I subbed a bunch of 58's I bought that I thought were perfect and got alot of 5, 6 and 7's. The paperstock is like mush and color grays out. I would not resub. A PSA 6 copy will sell very well, especially one with such nice eye appeal in my opinion. Great find.

mlbfan2 · January 3, 2012 5:37AM

I think PSA knocked it down a grade or two because part of the "a" is missing.

</sarcasm>

WinPitcher · January 3, 2012 6:06AM

I thought it was a 6.5 myself It's a true Ex/Mnt card.

IMO it has better eye appeal than some 7's or near mint cards.

Outstanding card that should bring '7' money.

jwgators · January 3, 2012 6:11AM

Any opinions on where I should consign it to? Or what the value may be?

shagrotn77 · January 3, 2012 6:19AM

Should have been an easy 7 IMO. If I were you I'd either re-sub it or list it on eBay with a $6,500 starting bid with no Buy it Now. VCP has no data for a 6, but shows that the last 5 went for $5,705 in 4/10 and the last two 7's went for $7,202 on 8/07 and $7,250 on 1/07. The $7,202 PSA 7 sold on eBay. So either get it in the right holder, in which case you'd probably have to crack it out because I don't see PSA giving it a full-point bump, or try to sell it for close to what you'd get if it indeed were in the right holder.

bobbyw8469 · January 3, 2012 6:21AM

VCP=$5,700. You can try Ebay or consign it with REA. Either way, good score!

Bunker · January 3, 2012 6:41AM

Very nice card!

I missed the original post, but I gather from some of the comments that this was part of your dad's collection when he was younger. It looks like he took good care of them!

70ToppsFanatic · January 3, 2012 6:42AM

Either Rick Probstein or PWCC can cost you much
less in consignment fees and get you as good a price
as REA.

Also, with such old VCP sales data it's hard to say what current
market value truly is. The current market seems soft for all but
real hard-to-find cards. If it were me I'd list it myself at $7500
BIN and OBO and see what offers come in.

To NET $6k on feebay you will need to sell at around $6600. IMO
that would be the right price.

jwgators · January 3, 2012 6:46AM

Thanks for the advice. My ebay account has less than 200 feedback with no large sales, probably only a couple of dozen sales. I would think that may cause some concern over potential buyers or would you think not.

Also, yes it was from my dad's collection, he had one box to keep when he moved from Texas to Florida... guess he chose the right one.

<< <i>Either Rick Probstein or PWCC can cost you much
less in consignment fees and get you as good a price
as REA.

Also, with such old VCP sales data it's hard to say what current
market value truly is. The current market seems soft for all but
real hard-to-find cards. If it were me I'd list it myself at $7500
BIN and OBO and see what offers come in.

To NET $6k on feebay you will need to sell at around $6600. IMO
that would be the right price. >>

Frozencaribou · January 3, 2012 9:36AM

I think you should try one more time. That card looks like a 7. Don't leave potentially thousands on the table over the price of an extra submission.

shagrotn77 · January 3, 2012 10:08AM

Absolutely. Don't let someone else profit from your card.

70ToppsFanatic · January 3, 2012 10:21AM

<< <i>Thanks for the advice. My ebay account has less than 200 feedback with no large sales, probably only a couple of dozen sales. I would think that may cause some concern over potential buyers or would you think not.

Also, yes it was from my dad's collection, he had one box to keep when he moved from Texas to Florida... guess he chose the right one.

<< <i>Either Rick Probstein or PWCC can cost you much
less in consignment fees and get you as good a price
as REA.

Also, with such old VCP sales data it's hard to say what current
market value truly is. The current market seems soft for all but
real hard-to-find cards. If it were me I'd list it myself at $7500
BIN and OBO and see what offers come in.

To NET $6k on feebay you will need to sell at around $6600. IMO
that would be the right price. >>

>>

I wouldn't worry about a few hundred feedbacks at all. You can also provide
a few bigger ticket references in your listing if you think it is an issue

purduepete · January 3, 2012 10:59AM

Congrats on the Herrera error card!

Earlier, you posted some scans of the Reds and Orioles Team cards - you should check the backs on those.

If they have the checklists in numerical order (instead of alphabetical order), those would be the rarer versions and should get graded too - they might be $100+ cards.

jwgators · January 3, 2012 11:52AM

They are the alphabetic versions, thanks for the heads up though.

<< <i>Congrats on the Herrera error card!

Earlier, you posted some scans of the Reds and Orioles Team cards - you should check the backs on those.

If they have the checklists in numerical order (instead of alphabetical order), those would be the rarer versions and should get graded too - they might be $100+ cards. >>

ezez420 · March 23, 2012 1:37AM

Bosox1976 · March 23, 2012 1:40AM

Great job!

Put it out there with a huge Buy-It-Now.....

mikeschmidt · March 23, 2012 2:40AM

Congrats! Awesome card and grade

JoeBanzai · March 23, 2012 3:10AM

I would take a shot or two at getting a better grade. Looks like a 7 or at least a 6.5 to me.

Good luck with this great find!

Joe

1958 Pancho Herrer - (Grade popped today see 1st post)

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