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New bust dime rarity ratings - JRCS Census

hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
Just received my John Reich Collectors Society December Journal. The bust dime census results are in and they have updated the following rarity ratings:

1809 JR1 from R4 to R3
1823 JR1 R3 to R2
1824 JR1 R3 to R2
1829 JR8 R4 to R4+
1829 JR11 R4 to R4+
1833 JR4 R1 to R2
1835 JR7 R5 to R4

The 1809 surprised me image

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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How do some coins go up in rarity? Was there a recent ritual destruction of bust dimes?
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    USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    Sure was hoping my journal would arrive today!
    Finest Coins and Relics
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Increasing in rarity is just a product of consistently not seeing many of that die marriage being recorded in the census,
    as well as individuals not seeing many of that particular die marriage. In this case I agree with most of the changes.

    I definitely felt the 1809 was an R3, and more likely an R3+, but that might be getting too picky.

    I have other observations for die marriage rarity adjustments.

    What I also noticed is that they list the 1825 JR-5 as an R5 on one page, but a couple pages later it is an R4+.
    My thoughts are that this is an R5-/R4+; I own two of this die marriage (AU-55/58, and a VF-35), and many other high
    grade examples of this die marriage are known making this rarity adjustment better.

    I was a little surprised about the 1835 JR7 from R5 to R4, but I can understand that change a little.
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    rkprkp Posts: 450 ✭✭✭
    How do you feel about the 1824/2 JR-1 going from R-3 to R-2? This basically makes it a Pretty common date.
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    I'm a little more surprised by the 1824/2 JR-1 move from R3 to R2.
    I am still inclined to believe it's an R3 since I don't believe >500 1824/2 JR-1's are out there, unless someone(s) has a hoard of them!
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    So what is the rating on the 1822 dime?
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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what is the rating on the 1822 dime? >>



    R4
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Here are some additional die marriage rarity adjustments which I feel are very close to accurate

    1820 JR-12 from R6 to R5+; 3-4 new examples have been reported this year alone, bringing a current known population to at least 28 specimens.
    1825 JR-5 from R5 to R5-/R4+; there are too many higher grade specimens out there which do not generally support this die marriage as being rare anymore.
    1827 JR-2 from R5 to R5-; there have been at least 4-5 new examples which have cropped up on eBay alone this year. At such a rate we must be near R5- status
    1829 JR-10 from R5+ to R5; even though the last census I believe still called this die marriage an R6, Louis Scuderi has tracked almost 40 examples to date, with his estimation that up to 50-60 exist!
    1832 JR-3 from R4 to R3; I own 3 examples of this die marriage and it is not as difficult as the current rarity suggests
    1833 JR-8 from R5 to R4+; like the 1825 JR-5, there are A LOT of higher grade examples out there which suggest to me that this die marriage is slightly more common than currently suggested
    1836 JR-2 from R3 to R2; I see this die marriage everywhere. And while the move from a common R3 to an even more common R2 rarity may not seem significant, I feel it is a more accurate reflection of this die marriage's rarity.
    1837 JR-2 from R2 to R1; YES, I consider this an R1 die marriage. It is literally everywhere. Most of the 1837's I run into are JR-2's, while I struggled to find an 1837 JR-1 (R1) until recently.


    There you have it. My further die marriage rarity adjustment recommendations. Accept it or reject it image
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    MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭✭
    Any movement on the 1824 JR2?
    Derek

    EAC 6024
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    PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Stone, your extensive collecting efforts in bust dimes and input here is great stuff. I have been following these a lot more too after one year ago. image

    I tend to agree with your assessments across the board. Thanks for all your contributions. It's appreciated by many of us.
    The End of the Line in the West.

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    1822 Bust Dime = R4?

    Okay, who's the bozo hoarding this damn coin!!!
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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,843 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Any movement on the 1824 JR2? >>



    No but David Quint, the author, mentions it by saying, "The exceedingly rare 1824 JR-2 represents probably less than 5% of the extant 1824 dimes." It is rated 5+ and only 15 were reported in the census with the highest graded XF 45 and an average grade of 18.
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    << <i>1822 Bust Dime = R4?

    Okay, who's the bozo hoarding this damn coin!!! >>



    I wish I could say it was me, but it's not.
    Winner of the "You Suck!" award March 17, 2010 by LanLord, doh, 123cents and Bear.
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    << <i>How do some coins go up in rarity? Was there a recent ritual destruction of bust dimes? >>



    image
    Perhaps this guys collection of dimes was left in the back seat.image
    Winner of the "You Suck!" award March 17, 2010 by LanLord, doh, 123cents and Bear.

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