Two Vermont NewP's off ebay last night......
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I had been watching these two pieces for the duration, and then used good old auctionsniper to pick them off at the last 5 seconds. The first, this is a Ryder 13 which is a product of the Vermont contract coinage from Machins Mills. Im not sure how to understand this coin....but it seems like there is an old lacquer, or something...on the surface. A few scattered planchet flows appear on the obverse also. What I really liked here was the extreme detail in the hair on the obverse, Id say this is XF detail. This piece is very odd in that besides being one of the two finest engraved (with the R27) pieces in the Vermont series, it is coupled up with a horrid worn and reground Britannia reverse. Why? who knows. But, thats the way they all are. This piece is one of the most common vermont coins, with an estimated 1200 survivors.
The second is a quite scarce piece in the Vermont coinage, again a product of Machins Mills. Overall this type is known as the standard bust right, and the different varieties are known by the letter spacing, punctuation, and reverse coupling. This one is the Ryder 19, rated as an R5 piece with about 50-60 surviving. There is one UNC known, a few other higher grade pieces, but most of them are VF and lower. This one....has suffered some post mint damage. First, and quite obvious, is the hole. *WHY* someone would choose to hole this fairly ugly coin and wear it around their neck is unfathomable. In addition, they took some time to dent inward, to raise and deform part of the rims. UGH. The good thing here, is that the detail on the coin is very good. Gradewise, its details high VF, but these problems are...well, problems. Im very seriously considering sending this piece to Allan Stockton for 'restoration and repair'. This seems like a piece that would benefit from some TLC, and well within his capabilities to restore the rims and dentils, and also to fill and reengrave the lost hair detail where it has been holed. Whether this is ethical or not can be debated till the cows come home but I think in the long run, based on the rarity of the piece, well worth the costs. Surface porosity is found on nearly all known of this variety. The strange look above the lettering on the right of the obverse is a large die crack, that is a diagnostic for the variety, in addition to the wide spacing of the O and N on the obverse. Only a small handful of these have reached auction over the last decade. It is a rare bird, Hinckley having only one and Bonjour listing two. Too bad about the damage but maybe that's what held this coin from heavy circulation wear. The sharpness of the lettering and quality of the planchet is well above average.
The second is a quite scarce piece in the Vermont coinage, again a product of Machins Mills. Overall this type is known as the standard bust right, and the different varieties are known by the letter spacing, punctuation, and reverse coupling. This one is the Ryder 19, rated as an R5 piece with about 50-60 surviving. There is one UNC known, a few other higher grade pieces, but most of them are VF and lower. This one....has suffered some post mint damage. First, and quite obvious, is the hole. *WHY* someone would choose to hole this fairly ugly coin and wear it around their neck is unfathomable. In addition, they took some time to dent inward, to raise and deform part of the rims. UGH. The good thing here, is that the detail on the coin is very good. Gradewise, its details high VF, but these problems are...well, problems. Im very seriously considering sending this piece to Allan Stockton for 'restoration and repair'. This seems like a piece that would benefit from some TLC, and well within his capabilities to restore the rims and dentils, and also to fill and reengrave the lost hair detail where it has been holed. Whether this is ethical or not can be debated till the cows come home but I think in the long run, based on the rarity of the piece, well worth the costs. Surface porosity is found on nearly all known of this variety. The strange look above the lettering on the right of the obverse is a large die crack, that is a diagnostic for the variety, in addition to the wide spacing of the O and N on the obverse. Only a small handful of these have reached auction over the last decade. It is a rare bird, Hinckley having only one and Bonjour listing two. Too bad about the damage but maybe that's what held this coin from heavy circulation wear. The sharpness of the lettering and quality of the planchet is well above average.
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You need to get them all in the correct holder and put up a set in "THE" Registry.
Then again, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s...
<< <i>I'm not into colonials very much, but I went out to your gold dollar site and WOW!!!!!!
You need to get them all in the correct holder and put up a set in "THE" Registry.
He just needs to start adding more coins to that set...I don't care if they are common or not!
Those are some sweet Colonials. I have 2 VERY worn down Machins Mills pieces. They are slugs!
<< <i>Then again, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s... >>
Nice Mad Lib!
I am enjoying watching your Vermont collection take shape! I can't believe I let that Vermont RR-19 get by me. You would have probably still won it, but you would have paid more for it ;-) .... I spent a minute looking at the hole, and didn't bother attributing the variety! RR-19's normally come on very bad planchets, yours has very nice surfaces. Good job! As for your Vermont RR-13, this was actually the 6th use of the Machin's 87-C die. It was a real workhorse. It was worn out by the time it made the Vermont, no intentional grinding or other alterations involved. This die was used on 5 different Machin's/Atlee varieties before being matched up with the Vermont obverse to produce the RR-13. If you haven't seen the Vermont book by Tony Carlotto yet, you are in for a real treat when you open it up for the first time.
I have Tonys' book, and have met him. As I understand, he is slowly collecting data in the effort to do a second edition, but will only do that when he feels he has enough new information to make it worthwhile. The book is difficult to find and sells for up to 300$ from different sources. I got mine from Chris Victor McCawley for a reasonable 80$. Tony took tons of images of my MS ryder 10 and in any rewrite, this will be well featured.
I like them both and the personality of this series is attractive and a bit mystical.
Those are a great pair of additions.
peacockcoins
As well it should be! It is a tremendous coin.....