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The Bigdawge gets a big Jefferson nickel "you suck" award!
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This coin showed up on ebay in a PCGS AU58 holder some 5-6 weeks ago. It's now in a NGC MS64FS holder.
I can't think of anyone who deserves a coin of this caliber than MikeD, the Bigdawge!
These are the ebay pictures.
The Bigdawge used to own this great example of the 1942/hoizD but was lost in the mail years back.
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So I think the bigdawge deserves a big "you suck" award on this one!
I can't think of anyone who deserves a coin of this caliber than MikeD, the Bigdawge!
These are the ebay pictures.
The Bigdawge used to own this great example of the 1942/hoizD but was lost in the mail years back.
>>So I think the bigdawge deserves a big "you suck" award on this one!
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Yeah, that's a "YOU SUCK!" for sure!
<< <i>value on a ms64 fs? >>
5-figures, or close to it!
Yeh, I'd give him a YouSuck
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<< <i>What holder was it in to begin with? Who graded this a 58- I think that is a fair and reasonable question >>
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<< <i>It does look under graded, but come on! From a 58 to a 64. PCGS graded too low and NGC graded it too high. I see no other way to see that. Congrats for you don't get me wrong. >>
There is certainly another way to see it. PCGS graded the coin AU58 because they detected some minor wear on the coin. If not for the wear, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the coin could have graded MS64. The concept of an AU64 coin is not new and it explains why so many collectors covet sliders. Based on the photo posted by Leo, which is not very good, I see nothing wrong with a grade of MS64. BTW, I owned a 1942-D/D PCGS MS64 until a few months ago when I sold it.
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<< <i>It does look under graded, but come on! From a 58 to a 64. PCGS graded too low and NGC graded it too high. I see no other way to see that. Congrats for you don't get me wrong. >>
There is certainly another way to see it. PCGS graded the coin AU58 because they detected some minor wear on the coin. If not for the wear, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the coin could have graded MS64. The concept of an AU64 coin is not new and it explains why so many collectors covet sliders. Based on the photo posted by Leo, which is not very good, I see nothing wrong with a grade of MS64. BTW, I owned a 1942-D/D PCGS MS64 until a few months ago when I sold it. >>
Actually I don't see any other way to see it. If the wear is enough to be a 58 there is no way it can be a 64. No way! Maybe the grader needs to be fired and someone else needs to do the grading. I would love to see some better images. What's the definition of a slider? One or two grades? 58-64 is some serious money and a loss to the original owner. Who ever graded this coin should be embarrassed.
Trying to find a nice sample of this date for my set has been quite bumpy. That's all I wish to say at this point.
GrandAm
Edit: In reading a MS-70 coin that is rubbed would then be a AU-58, this isn't like a MS-61 coin going into a MS-67 holder, you can't think like that here.
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<< <i>It does look under graded, but come on! From a 58 to a 64. PCGS graded too low and NGC graded it too high. I see no other way to see that. Congrats for you don't get me wrong. >>
There is certainly another way to see it. PCGS graded the coin AU58 because they detected some minor wear on the coin. If not for the wear, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the coin could have graded MS64. The concept of an AU64 coin is not new and it explains why so many collectors covet sliders. Based on the photo posted by Leo, which is not very good, I see nothing wrong with a grade of MS64. BTW, I owned a 1942-D/D PCGS MS64 until a few months ago when I sold it. >>
the perfect explanation and any numismatist worth a darn would know that within 6 months of numismatic study
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<< <i>It does look under graded, but come on! From a 58 to a 64. PCGS graded too low and NGC graded it too high. I see no other way to see that. Congrats for you don't get me wrong. >>
There is certainly another way to see it. PCGS graded the coin AU58 because they detected some minor wear on the coin. If not for the wear, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the coin could have graded MS64. The concept of an AU64 coin is not new and it explains why so many collectors covet sliders. Based on the photo posted by Leo, which is not very good, I see nothing wrong with a grade of MS64. BTW, I owned a 1942-D/D PCGS MS64 until a few months ago when I sold it. >>
Actually I don't see any other way to see it. If the wear is enough to be a 58 there is no way it can be a 64. No way! Maybe the grader needs to be fired and someone else needs to do the grading. I would love to see some better images. What's the definition of a slider? One or two grades? 58-64 is some serious money and a loss to the original owner. Who ever graded this coin should be embarrassed. >>
Because graders are human and they make mistakes like you and me.
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<< <i>It does look under graded, but come on! From a 58 to a 64. PCGS graded too low and NGC graded it too high. I see no other way to see that. Congrats for you don't get me wrong. >>
There is certainly another way to see it. PCGS graded the coin AU58 because they detected some minor wear on the coin. If not for the wear, it is perfectly reasonable to think that the coin could have graded MS64. The concept of an AU64 coin is not new and it explains why so many collectors covet sliders. Based on the photo posted by Leo, which is not very good, I see nothing wrong with a grade of MS64. BTW, I owned a 1942-D/D PCGS MS64 until a few months ago when I sold it. >>
Actually I don't see any other way to see it. If the wear is enough to be a 58 there is no way it can be a 64. No way! Maybe the grader needs to be fired and someone else needs to do the grading. I would love to see some better images. What's the definition of a slider? One or two grades? 58-64 is some serious money and a loss to the original owner. Who ever graded this coin should be embarrassed. >>
You completely missed my point. PCGS saw some wear on the coin and graded it AU58 (a slider). NGC did not see any wear on the coin and graded it MS64. I submit that if the PCGS graders had not seen what they consider wear, they also would have graded MS64. Here is an illustration of what I am talking about.
NGC graded this SLQ AU58. I would be willing to bet that some graders would grade this coin MS64. The mint state grades are separated by the amount of contact marks and luster present on the coin. If you take an badly marked MS61 and a clean MS65 and apply a rub to both coins, they would both end up as AU58's. Therefore, the difference between AU58 and MS64 can be just one grade.
This is an awesome observation and explanation.
Thanks
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for registry purposes over the years-that is one hell of a pickup.
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<< <i>From 58 to 64FS?
Yeah, that's a "YOU SUCK!" for sure!
you might want to take a second look @ some of the ones you kept from that lot we bought from,
times change bro.
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But I remembered the Horiz D and encouraged him to pursue it. The seller of that coin some of us may have known, had some dealings, Bob Neigo passed away sometime earlier this year and will be greatly missed. He was there in 2005 who encouraged me to do a walkthrough with my 53-S. What a whoo-hoo he let out upon seeing that coin grade. But he dealt in Jefferson nickels and would only set up at the FUN show.
But as Mike had mentioned, there are some hairlines, I believe on the reverse side, possibly from a light cleaning or slightly circulated and that might be the difference between the two graders. The coin itself is an enigma to begin with, they just don't come nice and in high grade but (here comes that nasty word) the pictures showed a great strike, luster and steps.
This coin is more about those qualities than what it grades, IMO. it's not a matter of what it grades as long as it didn't look like it had been messed with.
Hopefully, I'll get a look at the FUN show but the other state may be more favorable. And Mike, this may be a good opportunity to visit someone else in that other state, he might like seeing the 53-S before I depart with it.
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