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Denomination free issues... how many can we think of?

ok, this is annoying me and I think it's been brought up before, but I'm bringing it up again image

The draped bust dollar/half/quarter have no denom. In this day and age of same-sized images in advertising, at a glance you really might not know what issue you're looking at if you're skimming. You can know what you're looking at by direct comparison or familiarity with the contemporary coins if something's in-hand, obviously.

This just came up again in thinking about the 1797 penny and twopence, no denom.

http://www.currencyhelp.net/british-cartwheel-penny.html

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notice the dates of the issues... they're contemporaries. Was this just something done in those days? can we find an example of denom-less coinage elsewhere? and why in this narrow window of time was it just more acceptable?

Just curious.

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The addition of a spelled-out denomination on a coin is a relatively modern thing, though I'm pretty sure there were ancient coins that had Roman numerals indicating their value, at least as far back as the Byzantines, if not earlier.

    If you go back far enough in time, coins without denominations listed on them are the norm, rather than the exception. People judged a coin by its diameter and weight. A whole lot more people were illiterate back then anyway, which is why in many societies (such as early America) they spent just about anything of similar size, weight, and metallic content (probably judged mostly by color). It was a hodgepodge.

    Those Brit "Cartwheel" coppers were among the very first "modern" coins struck on steam presses, but the inscription "penny" or "two pence" just hadn't come along yet. (It had, on the smaller silvers- the silver Maundy twopence of the era had a big "2" on the reverse of it.)

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    << <i>The addition of a spelled-out denomination on a coin is a relatively modern thing....... >>



    True, most coins, from most countries, prior to 1800, didn't have denominations.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Three cent pieces (both kinds) are sort of denomination free, only having a Roman numeral.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You could buy a beer at the Bar with this Cent of no denomination: The bar cent of 1785.

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    HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭
    shoot, at least III was an indicator of something!
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    not mine, but here's a nice half dime


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    HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭
    so much better than spaghetti hair
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    WingsruleWingsrule Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭
    1883 Libnick (at least the first few batches)
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Coins with no denomination:

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 2000-P Quarter DOllar obverse/ Sacagawea Dollar reverse mule has two denominations. Had the other sides been muled, the result would have been denominationless.

    BTW, Flowing Hair and Draped Bust DOllars and Half Dollars did have denominations.....on the edge. The 1796 Quarter and the early U.S.
    gold did not have denominations.

    Pop Quiz: Which U.S. coins had the most denominations on them???

    TD
    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2000-P Quarter DOllar obverse/ Sacagawea Dollar reverse mule has two denominations. Had the other sides been muled, the result would have been denominationless.

    BTW, Flowing Hair and Draped Bust DOllars and Half Dollars did have denominations.....on the edge. The 1796 Quarter and the early U.S.
    gold did not have denominations.

    Pop Quiz: Which U.S. coins had the most denominations on them???

    TD >>



    I had no idea! the 3rd side! the edge!
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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭

    Because the United States was a new country and had to purchase most everything in overseas markets, the Dollar had to stand on it's metal content rather than it's reputation so the coins were weighed for value.

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    The 1860 (reverse of '59) transitional half dime is another example although it is considered a pattern!
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    renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This makes me think Highley

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    LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Pop Quiz: Which U.S. coins had the most denominations on them???

    TD >>




    Business strike or Patterns?
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,285 ✭✭✭
    Appears to say halfpenny, unless it's my imagination. And I believe all halfpenny Conder tokens say halfpenny on the rim.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Pop Quiz: Which U.S. coins had the most denominations on them???

    TD >>




    Business strike or Patterns? >>



    Go ahead and include Stella, since it is in the Redbook, but ignore the other patterns, such as the international one with the values given in several different currencies. There are three regular issues tied for the lead.
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