I think i'm done with the ATB pucks. (pics)
tjc2120
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I found these interesting and maybe a fun way to collect bullion. After a visit to the bank though, I do not like spots I found and will prob go back to rolls of ASEs.
Spots on a slabbed bullion version.
Sneeze marks on a mint finish version.
Spots on a slabbed bullion version.
Sneeze marks on a mint finish version.
"spot on my UHR, nevermind, I wiped it off"
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The name is LEE!
Had the same problem with mine. Dumped every last one of them. Really a shame.
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<< <i>Had the same problem with mine. Dumped every last one of them. Really a shame. >>
Why do you care if bullion has spots? Its bullion.
I guess I could matter on the (P) Pucks.
Loves me some shiny!
“Often wrong, but never in doubt.”
Spotting is never an issue with old poured Engelhard bars.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/gold/liberty-head-2-1-gold-major-sets/liberty-head-2-1-gold-basic-set-circulation-strikes-1840-1907-cac/alltimeset/268163
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https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinCustomSetView.aspx?s=36590
<< <i>What were they stored in at the bank if you don't mind me asking? Directly in an SDB? >>
Mint capsule and stacked PCGS slab. That's it. Other stuff is slabs and flips inside Intercept shield box.
<< <i>Just like any other 100% silver product produced by the US Mint, these are suceptible to spotting unless they are recleaned to insure that and residual soaps or US Mint cleaning solutions are removed. >>
Interesting. Do you do that for every .99 mint product you intend to keep? And, what is your re-cleaning procedure?
Thanks,
<< <i>Just like any other 100% silver product produced by the US Mint, these are suceptible to spotting unless they are recleaned to insure that and residual soaps or US Mint cleaning solutions are removed. >>
! agree. I acetone rinsed all my 2010 ATBs, then rinsed in distilled water and dried with coins with a fan. Seems to work, no spots so far, knock on wood.
My question is - if the acetone procedure does remove the soaps and cleaning solution residue left behind by the mint, why don't they add this type of final cleaning to the process for their silver products?
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<< <i>Just like any other 100% silver product produced by the US Mint, these are suceptible to spotting unless they are recleaned to insure that and residual soaps or US Mint cleaning solutions are removed. >>
! agree. I acetone rinsed all my 2010 ATBs, then rinsed in distilled water and dried with coins with a fan. Seems to work, no spots so far, knock on wood.
My question is - if the acetone procedure does remove the soaps and cleaning solution residue left behind by the mint, why don't they add this type of final cleaning to the process for their silver products? >>
Actually they do, but the issue is they do it in bulk. No way they are going to clean a million planchets one at a time. Apparently their process is not very thorough. If you put a bunch of plates into your dishwasher without separating them you get the same sort of effect. If I was going to spend big bucks on a 70 set, I'd consider asking PCGS to dip and reholder them.
I believe that we are dealing with 2 different spotting issues here; one chlorine based and the other something else. Generally once the chlorine based spots are set, they can't be removed.
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<< <i>Had the same problem with mine. Dumped every last one of them. Really a shame. >>
Why do you care if bullion has spots? Its bullion.
I guess I could matter on the (P) Pucks. >>
Yeah right? I have bullion and I doubt I would even know if they had spots. Key word being BULLION!
The mint should assure that the product entering the dies and customer packaging is free of contaminants that may affect appearance of the product later on, regardless of what it is.
MHO.
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<< <i>What were they stored in at the bank if you don't mind me asking? Directly in an SDB? >>
Mint capsule and stacked PCGS slab. That's it. Other stuff is slabs and flips inside Intercept shield box. >>
The spotted coins look like they are in PCGS slabs not mint capsules. Is that the case?
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<< <i>What were they stored in at the bank if you don't mind me asking? Directly in an SDB? >>
Mint capsule and stacked PCGS slab. That's it. Other stuff is slabs and flips inside Intercept shield box. >>
The spotted coins look like they are in PCGS slabs not mint capsules. Is that the case? >>
First image is slabbed (PCGS) bullion. Second is mint capsule.
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<< <i>Had the same problem with mine. Dumped every last one of them. Really a shame. >>
Why do you care if bullion has spots? Its bullion.
I guess I could matter on the (P) Pucks. >>
Yeah right? I have bullion and I doubt I would even know if they had spots. Key word being BULLION!
I should be more clear. I contemplated obtaining these as bullion that has a collector premium (ie primary value derived from spot plus a small premium). I am now reluctant to pay that premium since any change over time (ie spots) will undermine that added value.
I think poured bars are a good example of bullion with a collector premium that is more dependable. Normal storage is not likely to affect them and the collector portion of their value is more dependable.
Like I said, back to ASEs in tubes
I did not submit any myself, but seeing as most products now go str8 from usmint box to grader,
its virtually impossible to stop the issue, unless the grading company agrees to dip first?
lol kind of, never mind-not sure what to think here.
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