Strange High-Value Chopmarked 8R

pruebas · November 30, 2011 12:13PM

Can anyone figure this German auction lot out? Link.

I looked for KM Pn31, but was not exactly sure what country to look under. It is not Mexico, nor Japan. Taiwan (listed under China) doesn't appear to have any patterns.

I presume this is just another attempt to cash in on the Chinese craziness, but who knows. Sure is ugly though.

TwoKopeiki · November 30, 2011 12:44PM

I'd guess there is a particular chop(s) that makes it a rare piece. By itself the host coin (1895 Zs 8R) is common.

pruebas · November 30, 2011 1:26PM

Clearly the value is in the chops (or more correctly, the counterstamps). But why?

WillieBoyd2 · November 30, 2011 1:38PM

Maybe Japanese chop marks or ones used in Taiwan are rare?

comma · November 30, 2011 2:21PM

I think it's a super awesome coin.
The chops are amazing and make it one of a kind...so I guess it's worth it if the right person comes along

pruebas · November 30, 2011 2:46PM

<< <i>I think it's a super awesome coin.
The chops are amazing and make it one of a kind...so I guess it's worth it if the right person comes along >>

Is it US$7000 awesome?

CarlosJ · December 6, 2011 11:59AM

<< <i>

<< <i>I think it's a super awesome coin.
The chops are amazing and make it one of a kind...so I guess it's worth it if the right person comes along >>

Is it US$7000 awesome? >>

Looks like the c/m's are modern fantasies. Fairly similar to the ones plated in this article: http://www.numisma.es/Biblioteca/8Rles_con_chop.pdf
and undoubtedly of the same origin as most of the crappy imitations of Mexican War for Independence c/m's plated here: http://www.numisma.es/Biblioteca/Resellos_mexicanos.pdf

Carlos Jara
http://www.lanumismatics.blogspot.com/
"A blog about Latin American Numismatics"

TwoKopeiki · December 8, 2011 11:42PM

<< <i>...and undoubtedly of the same origin as most of the crappy imitations of Mexican War for Independence c/m's plated here: http://www.numisma.es/Biblioteca/Resellos_mexicanos.pdf

Carlos Jara
http://www.lanumismatics.blogspot.com/
"A blog about Latin American Numismatics" >>

Hi Carlos,

Thank you for that link. I have a couple of pieces with fake counterstamps that match the plates in that document. One has Osorno and Villagran stamps on a Boston-style counterfeit 1809 Mexico City 8R and the other has the same Norte stamp (matching crude eagle design) as the example in that document on an authentic (what a shame!!) 1813-14 Zacatecas 8 Reales.

Here are some shots and thanks again for the link.

pruebas · December 16, 2011 8:38AM

To close the loop here, the coin in the OP did not sell at auction.

Strange High-Value Chopmarked 8R

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