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My New Box of 20 approach

RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
...will be announced later. image

Seriously, I do have a new "Box of 20" based organization of my collection which should serve to better focus my collection and to improve the overall quality and consistency of my otherwise unconventional style of collection. It is also assisting me to reduce my collection to a more manageable number of coins. I look forward to sharing this with you (and then being treated like a piñata afterward). image

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,527 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah, the latest disciple - welcome. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • TURBOTURBO Posts: 504 ✭✭✭
    Don't forget pics.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could see a 20 boxes approach....
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, here's the scoop.

    My core gold coin collection will have a Big Boy Box of 20 which will include my 20 best coins.

    Additionally, there will be a box of 20 quarter eagles, a box of half eagles, a box of eagles, a box of double eagles, a box of foreign/misc gold (to include gold dollars, $3's, Stellas, territorials, etc.), a box of 20 generic gold coins, a box of 20 pre-Federal/foreign coins, a bullion box (for the modern crap) and a box of type coins (mainly seated/draped bust).

    Currently, all boxes are full (or nearly so). In order to add a coin, it MUST replace a coin in one of the boxes. If I add a coin to the Big Boy Box, a coin has to be sold or, more likely, sent down to the minors and replace a coin in one of the other boxes, which then must be sold.

    I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection and will result in a regular redistribution of the coins that do not fit, the duplicates, etc., and it will, over time, serve to force me to improve the overall quality of the collection.

    Fire away. image
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Just go for a box of Stella's image
  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just go for a box of Stella's image >>



    I thought the same thing.. I can't remember ever seeing Stella as plural before. image
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just go for a box of Stella's image >>


    When I was a boy, it was my dream coin. Now that I have seen a couple dozen, I have no interest in them.

    I am thinking about reserving one box for NGC-graded coins because the buggers do not fit in the preferred PCGS Old Green Boxes, but I am not sure I have 20 keeper NGC-graded gold coins.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm more of a 20 Box collection.......oh wait 20 boxes won't hold the complete dime set. image Better make that 40 boxes for now at least. With the option to expand if needed.image
  • Sounds like a "box" of 220. Way too may coins.

    Lets see a box of 20 1795-1803 Eagles and ditch the rest!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sounds like a "box" of 220. Way too may coins.

    Lets see a box of 20 1795-1803 Eagles and ditch the rest! >>


    It's a great idea for down the road. Maybe I should get one first. image
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I read the new parameters correctly, it appears you are either at full capacity or near full capacity even before the "new" collection has started. In my opinion, starting a newer focus at full capacity and being forced into deacquisition mode right off the bat might allow for the greatest enjoyment. Why not add a category of something you like, but do not have many of, so that you can buy as well as sell within these new parameters.
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  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭✭
    image Respectfully, Mark
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I read the new parameters correctly, it appears you are either at full capacity or near full capacity even before the "new" collection has started...

    It's not a new collection so much as it is a new approach to managing the old collection, especially in terms of bringing in new coins. I still like the same kind of coins I liked 2 years ago and 2 years before that and so forth. I just cannot continue to buy what I like without any structure or design. I think that for me, this new system might allow me to make smarter purchases and more promptly discard the coins that do not fit or get upgraded out.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Makes sense to me, though I realize that my understanding your goals and design isn't the highest priority here.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,527 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a serious "20 Box's of 20" approach. image

    I do the same - Core box then a box of Doileys, 2.5's, 3.5's, Dave Hall flips, etc. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I also have done the box of 20 approach in the last 2 or 3 years. This forum gave me the idea to do it and I love it.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection...

    Fat chance.
    Andy Lustig

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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection...

    Fat chance. >>



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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection...

    Fat chance. >>



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    << <i>I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection...

    Fat chance. >>



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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think that this system will prevent me from overbuying and losing control of the collection...

    Fat chance. >>


    You should like this. Every time you sell me a coin, you get to buy one. image
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,323 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What are you doing is exactly what I do. It is fun. Welcome to the fold.

    Foreign box of 20
    Circ box of 20
    MS/AU box of 20.

  • I wish i had the discipline to limit myself to a box of 20
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭
    I think I agree with Andy.

    In any case, what does the fact that every few months you are modifying your "box of 20" approach into a yet new iteration tell you?
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    (EJS)
  • Your approach reminds me of my efforts to organize the kitchen drawer near the telephone, where I carefully arrange everything into little bins dedicated to rubber bands, matches, batteries, etc., and they my wife shoves everything into it indiscriminately.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think I agree with Andy.

    In any case, what does the fact that every few months you are modifying your "box of 20" approach into a yet new iteration tell you? >>


    It tells me that you do not know what you are talking about because this is not true.
  • I don't like the box of 20 concept (although I do agree with selling duplicates). Why limit yourself? Buy what you like, and constantly upgrade. In terms of organization, invest in coin collection management software.

    P.S. If you are starting boxes of 20, why not have separate boxes for $3 and stellas?
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ugh...just trying to read and understand that makes me lose interest in it.


  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Currently, all boxes are full (or nearly so).

    just so i have this right..................you're telling us you have approximately seven(count 'em, seven) boxes of Gold Coins?? i stand back in awe!!! and to think, we sat next to each other at a "Furum Luncheon" and i had you figured for an average Joe.

    this is sweet and i truly am impressed(and humbled).image
  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭✭
    It sounds like you just make up whatever title necessary to start yet another "Box of 20".

    Like an 8 year old sorting baseball cards.

    Loves me some shiny!
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I only need 20 more wire rim saints for my box.

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  • AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭
    Stone: << Just go for a box of Stellas >>

    RYK: <<When I was a boy, it was my dream coin. Now that I have seen a couple dozen, I have no interest in them.>>

    The 1879 Flowing Hair issue is not nearly as scarce as was previously thought. I am intrigued, for other reasons, that a Stella was RYK’s “dream coin,” when he “was a boy.” I collected Barber Dimes and Liberty Nickels. I dreamt about 1894-S Dimes 1913 Liberty Nickels. I was also then dreaming about 1804 dollars, 1856 Flying Eagle Cents, 1796 quarters, 1901-S Quarters, Ultra High Reliefs, and 1927-D Saints. I then thought of a Stella as a peculiar curiosity.

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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Analyst, while the 1879 Stella isn't nearly as rare as the 1880 issue, it nevertheless garners a premium just by association...which you know.
    The $4 Stella is just a curiousity that it too was one of my "keep dreaming" coins. Then again, I could settle on a Gilt pattern and feel quite
    content, it nevertheless is not the same as gold!!! imageimage

    I too dreamt of the coins you mentioned, with a couple others I would add and a couple I would exclude.
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I think I agree with Andy.

    In any case, what does the fact that every few months you are modifying your "box of 20" approach into a yet new iteration tell you? >>


    It tells me that you do not know what you are talking about because this is not true. >>



    Ok, I decided to check back through the archives, since I apparently don't perceive time like normal humans do. So, as a correction, let's say "once a year," rather than any couple of months. Sorry for the exaggeration. And I suppose my question merely shows my dislike for the "box of 20," whether its the literal sense or in some metaphorical way which could be better described more directly. I suppose the question remains.
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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Analyst, while the 1879 Stella isn't nearly as rare as the 1880 issue, it nevertheless garners a premium just by association...which you know.
    The $4 Stella is just a curiousity that it too was one of my "keep dreaming" coins. Then again, I could settle on a Gilt pattern and feel quite
    content, it nevertheless is not the same as gold!!! imageimage

    I too dreamt of the coins you mentioned, with a couple others I would add and a couple I would exclude. >>



    Hmm. 4 gold issues
    4 copper issues, non-gilt
    4 copper issues, gilt
    4 aluminum issues
    1 gold and 1 copper $20 quintuple stella
    isn't there also a unique copper $4 variant?

    That's a box of 19. What would the last one be?
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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just because you have a 20 box doesn't mean you can't buy anything, it just means that you have to decide if it's box-worthy or not, this can take time....sometimes. image
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,187 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ryk:

    you will find your new system too confining. You will be miserable. It will work for a few months, then it will collapse as you will discover that you will be trying to discard coins that were previously wonderful purchases. Suddenly, they have to go? You will suddenly realize that you have to compromise your hard rule of a fixed number of boxes of 20's. You will realize that you need another box of 20 here, there and way over there, etc.

    There is nothing wrong with your collection getting larger unless you made inferior purchases previously or unless you no longer have the ability to spend any more money to enlarge or improve your collection.
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is nothing wrong with your collection getting larger unless you made inferior purchases previously or unless you no longer have the ability to spend any more money to enlarge or improve your collection.

    Everyone views things differently, and approaches may change over time with additional experience, market fluctuations, and available capital. At this particular point in my collecting life, I would rather have fewer better coins. Next month, next year, next decade, I might feel differently.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,187 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK:
    agreed that you might feel differently a month, year or a decade later.

    This is my point. just be flexible enough so that you don't think of your collection as a failure just because you modify or even trash the boxes of 20 rule. On the other hand, do not hold your collection back because of a blind allegiance to your new rules.

    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!

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