<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan. >>
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him.
TO the OP: Every aspect of what you have related about the non-performing customer's actions points to an attempt to defraud you of the merchandise. Just get on the ball and initiate contact with the Postal Inspectors Unit in your locality. You are wasting valuable time with all of the BS being bantered about here. The customer who claims to have returned merchandise has yet to provide physical evidence, i.e. a copy of the insured article receipt, or the tape receipt from his local post office that he allegedly shipped the return package from. The obvious non performance in providing verifiable documentation is a HUGE RED FLAG.
<< <i>Well I sent out a coin to a buyer for an agreed value of $2000. Buyer was not happy with the coin and said it only looked like a coin worth a couple of hundred dollars. Needless to say I said return it. So he supposedly sends it back but with priority mail with NO tracking and only $300 insurance!!!! Well...USPS lost the package and I'm severely pissed off. Is it the buyers responsibility to pay for the lost item for what we agreed on or what I paid for it? I bought it a few years ago and got a great deal on it and think it would sell for more now. Opinions?? >>
He owes you the full agreed upon $2,000 - $300 in insurance = $1,800.
<< <i>TO the OP: Every aspect of what you have related about the non-performing customer's actions points to an attempt to defraud you of the merchandise. Just get on the ball and initiate contact with the Postal Inspectors Unit in your locality. You are wasting valuable time with all of the BS being bantered about here. The customer who claims to have returned merchandise has yet to provide physical evidence, i.e. a copy of the insured article receipt, or the tape receipt from his local post office that he allegedly shipped the return package from. The obvious non performance in providing verifiable documentation is a HUGE RED FLAG. >>
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It sounds like he is trying to scam you. I would not return any funds to him unless and until I had my coin in returned safely in my hand.
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds
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<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself >>
Well, just to split hairs, I didn't say overpriced, I said over-valued. Anyway, if you are going to whine in a public forum about a package that's a few days late, accuse a buyer of theft and generally make yourself sound like an anal-retentive lunatic cry-baby, you have to expect people to respond, most likely in a manner you may find objectionable. If you didn't want to hear what others think, you should have kept this to yourself.
<< <i>I guess you can take it to small claims court without a lawyer involved. With a lawyer, he will get your $2K. >>
This is easier said than done. What state are you in? What state is the buyer in? Enforcing an out of state judgment can be done, but I would certainly think you would need an attorney to do this. With this said, I'm not technically sure why you would need a lawyer at this point. DON'T REFUND THE MONEY. Bottom line: If he wants it, he can sue you for it, but once you prove that you sent it to him, the burden of proof should rest of him. If he cannot provide satisfactory proof (i.e. the item was mailed, etc.), his case will be dismissed.
<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan. >>
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
The OP can't input that number, only a postal employee can. The OP never said that his post office told him it was invalid.
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds >>
How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either.
I have sent out packages worth close to $20,000 before getting paid. I try to be a trusting seller. >>
With that amount of money, I don't care how wonderful my experience with the buyer has been, I would insist on getting paid first. If you've had wonderful experiences or great references for this buyer, then the buyer knows the ropes of mail sales and should have NO PROBLEM paying up front. I guarantee you then when he returns it, he WILL pay for $2,000 insurance, since now it is HIS money to lose.
I know, I know...lots of people send coins out on "approval'. I simply don't. Unless it is my Mom, Dad or kids. Blood relations are the only people you can trust in this world. I may sound soured but after my partner of 20 years and my wife of 18 years ran off together a few years back AND took all the money, I am tend to err on the side of "pay me first". Every other large entity does it...eBay, Auction houses, etc.
It was wrong to not insure the coin to the value the seller had placed on the coin. With that being said, far too little time has passed. If the coin shows up tomorrow, this whole thread will have been a complete waste of time.
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"If the coin shows up tomorrow?" What makes you believe that it was ever shipped? The unsatisfied buyer has yet to show up here and back the claim to the OP that it was shipped. And the OP has already stated that he has yet to be provided with valid documentation of shipping. A simple fax message of the insured article receipt, along with the tape receipt of the transaction would have removed any doubt that the item was in fact shipped.
<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself >>
Coin is not overpriced. I've been doing toned coins professionally for 10+ years. It is in a fair range for sure.
<< <i>"If the coin shows up tomorrow?" What makes you believe that it was ever shipped? The unsatisfied buyer has yet to show up here and back the claim to the OP that it was shipped. And the OP has already stated that he has yet to be provided with valid documentation of shipping. >>
I have no idea whether it was shipped or not and mine or anyone elses opinion on whether it was or wasn't is irrelevant because all it is , is an opinion. 1 or 2 days late is way too early to hang the buyer on this forum. I've already said it was wrong to not insure the coin for the amount the seller valued the coin at. Right now, that is all he is guilty of.
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I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds >>
How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds >>
How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds >>
Dunno, but we sure got excitement. I think it is useful from the standpoint that some people are to quick to jump to conclusions and that not everyone feels the same way when things go wrong. Of course it depends upon how easily the PO will cough up $2K.
<< <i>OK, I am retiring from this thread. As far as I am concerned this is so ridiculous it is shocking..I am so freakin frustrated and it ain't even my coin or my money...so is REALly nutso here >>
<< <i>OK, I am retiring from this thread. As far as I am concerned this is so ridiculous it is shocking..I am so freakin frustrated and it ain't even my coin or my money...so is REALly nutso here >>
Me Too!
I'll only reply after TonedRarities posts that the coin showed up.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds >>
How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds >>
you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind.
<< <i>"...you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind"
it was said to be a potential in your OP.
Eric >>
yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion.
Well I just had to get in on this tread since it might beat the dang thread about Apmex selling hockey pucks, na it won't, that baby still rears it's head up every once and awhile. Back to the OP. There are some very trusting people on this forum that send coins to buyers that say they want them and ain't paid for them yet. Also ones that ship coins before a check clears. I guess it's just me and that way I have seen so much stuff that even a trust that is earned can easily be broken in this day and age. Like Ten Bears told Josey Wales,
" There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. "
<< <i> I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i> I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
Sean Reynolds >>
thank you, i wasnt lashing out at you and it isnt my intention to sound like an ass. Just kind of pissed about this whole deal. Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all.
<< <i>Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all. >>
Have you considered the possibility that the wrong address is on the return shipment? Have buyer confirm the address he sent it back to.
The computer can probably generate an electronic pink slip even if there is no coin if the first notice has not been satisfied in x number of days. It only proves the coin was probably there once and that the other party shipped it. Still lost is lost.
<< <i> I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
Sean Reynolds
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thank you, i wasnt lashing out at you and it isnt my intention to sound like an ass. Just kind of pissed about this whole deal. Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all. >>
Have you taken the simple step of asking him to confirm the address to which the coin was shipped? They may be leaving those slips on someone else's door. I'd also ask him for the name of the person to whom he's speaking at your local PO, maybe it's time to give them a call yourself and confirm that part of his story.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>"...you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind"
it was said to be a potential in your OP.
Eric >>
yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion. >>
You constant changing of the facts by editing your posts gives you ZERO credibility in my book.
<< <i>"...you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind"
it was said to be a potential in your OP.
Eric >>
yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion. >>
You constant changing of the facts by editing your posts gives you ZERO credibility in my book. >>
Dont worry, I won't be selling to you anytime soon.
This doesn't make sense if a slip was left. I thought the postmaster is involved now. Was he told this information.:Let the buyer relay this information to the postmaster so he can get the package.
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
U.S.P.S. Insured Domestic Only Over $200. I have a small stack of these that I occassionally use. I suppose I've had them a couple of years now. On the bottom they read: "PS Form 3813-P, May 2007" (I assume the date of printing). All begin with VH..... not VF. Another poster also stated VH was the beginning of this "code".
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<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan. >>
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him.
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That thing has a serious set of ears.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Well I sent out a coin to a buyer for an agreed value of $2000. Buyer was not happy with the coin and said it only looked like a coin worth a couple of hundred dollars. Needless to say I said return it. So he supposedly sends it back but with priority mail with NO tracking and only $300 insurance!!!! Well...USPS lost the package and I'm severely pissed off. Is it the buyers responsibility to pay for the lost item for what we agreed on or what I paid for it? I bought it a few years ago and got a great deal on it and think it would sell for more now. Opinions?? >>
He owes you the full agreed upon $2,000 - $300 in insurance = $1,800.
<< <i>TO the OP: Every aspect of what you have related about the non-performing customer's actions points to an attempt to defraud you of the merchandise. Just get on the ball and initiate contact with the Postal Inspectors Unit in your locality. You are wasting valuable time with all of the BS being bantered about here. The customer who claims to have returned merchandise has yet to provide physical evidence, i.e. a copy of the insured article receipt, or the tape receipt from his local post office that he allegedly shipped the return package from. The obvious non performance in providing verifiable documentation is a HUGE RED FLAG. >>
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It sounds like he is trying to scam you. I would not return any funds to him unless and until I had my coin in returned safely in my hand.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
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Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself >>
Well, just to split hairs, I didn't say overpriced, I said over-valued.
Anyway, if you are going to whine in a public forum about a package that's a few days late, accuse a buyer of theft and generally make yourself sound like an anal-retentive lunatic cry-baby, you have to expect people to respond, most likely in a manner you may find objectionable.
If you didn't want to hear what others think, you should have kept this to yourself.
<< <i>I guess you can take it to small claims court without a lawyer involved. With a lawyer, he will get your $2K. >>
This is easier said than done. What state are you in? What state is the buyer in? Enforcing an out of state judgment can be done, but I would certainly think you would need an attorney to do this. With this said, I'm not technically sure why you would need a lawyer at this point. DON'T REFUND THE MONEY. Bottom line: If he wants it, he can sue you for it, but once you prove that you sent it to him, the burden of proof should rest of him. If he cannot provide satisfactory proof (i.e. the item was mailed, etc.), his case will be dismissed.
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<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan. >>
Uhh, it is my understanding no one can track anything since the buyer has still not provided a REAL tracking number or do you know something that I don't know? >>
At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
The OP can't input that number, only a postal employee can. The OP never said that his post office told him it was invalid.
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At this point no. I assume he provided the USPS with the same number that was posted here. If he went in person to his PO he probably took his receipt with him. >>
I don't kno what you are reading but the op input the tracking number that was given to him by the buyer and it was invalid. If the buyer would just provide the op the right tracking number via a copy from the usps that would be greatly appreciative and helphul don't you think...wouldn't you do just that ? >>
I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
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How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either.
This thread is too funny.
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<< <i>Maybe should have gotten paid first? >>
I have sent out packages worth close to $20,000 before getting paid. I try to be a trusting seller. >>
With that amount of money, I don't care how wonderful my experience with the buyer has been, I would insist on getting paid first. If you've had wonderful experiences or great references for this buyer, then the buyer knows the ropes of mail sales and should have NO PROBLEM paying up front. I guarantee you then when he returns it, he WILL pay for $2,000 insurance, since now it is HIS money to lose.
I know, I know...lots of people send coins out on "approval'. I simply don't. Unless it is my Mom, Dad or kids. Blood relations are the only people you can trust in this world. I may sound soured but after my partner of 20 years and my wife of 18 years ran off together a few years back AND took all the money, I am tend to err on the side of "pay me first". Every other large entity does it...eBay, Auction houses, etc.
Just my two cents...
Doug
<< <i>yes thats what the buyer told me in a PM. no package has been located yet and the PostMaster for my area is looking for it now. >>
ahhhhh, the buyer told you that, I have been under the impression that the your local PO had told you.
You can tell the buyer that he is FOS.
Goodnight.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
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Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself >>
Coin is not overpriced. I've been doing toned coins professionally for 10+ years. It is in a fair range for sure.
Dont eat a big breakfast I think we will be having BBQ'd keester for lunch soon.
<< <i>I thought the sellers local PO told him it was lost within the facility.
This thread is too funny. >>
That is one early statement, yes.
<< <i>"If the coin shows up tomorrow?" What makes you believe that it was ever shipped? The unsatisfied buyer has yet to show up here and back the claim to the OP that it was shipped. And the OP has already stated that he has yet to be provided with valid documentation of shipping. >>
I have no idea whether it was shipped or not and mine or anyone elses opinion on whether it was or wasn't is irrelevant because all it is , is an opinion. 1 or 2 days late is way too early to hang the buyer on this forum. I've already said it was wrong to not insure the coin for the amount the seller valued the coin at. Right now, that is all he is guilty of.
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I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
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How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
Sean Reynolds
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I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
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How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
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Dunno, but we sure got excitement. I think it is useful from the standpoint that some people are to quick to jump to conclusions and that not everyone feels the same way when things go wrong. Of course it depends upon how easily the PO will cough up $2K.
<< <i>OK, I am retiring from this thread. As far as I am concerned this is so ridiculous it is shocking..I am so freakin frustrated and it ain't even my coin or my money...so is REALly nutso here
Kinda like a good soap opera, eh?
Did you insure the coin for 2k when you mailed it out to the potential buyer?? Just wondering and like i said i still have 5 pages to read.
BTW he owes you.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
<< <i>I only read the first 4 pages...
Did you insure the coin for 2k when you mailed it out to the potential buyer?? Just wondering and like i said i still have 5 pages to read.
BTW he owes you. >>
Not yet he doesn't.
<< <i>OK, I am retiring from this thread. As far as I am concerned this is so ridiculous it is shocking..I am so freakin frustrated and it ain't even my coin or my money...so is REALly nutso here
Me Too!
I'll only reply after TonedRarities posts that the coin showed up.
The name is LEE!
Lets start a guess the buyer thread.
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
<< <i>Did TonedRarities insure the coin for 2k when HE mailed it out to the buyer?
Lets start a guess the buyer thread.
Dunno , i asked the same question earlier in the thread but i don't believe it got answered.
<< <i>Did TonedRarities insure the coin for 2k when HE mailed it out to the buyer?
Lets start a guess the buyer thread.
Why does that matter? FWIW I know who the buyer is.
<< <i>Id Pay 2000 For it in a heartbeat.. I have references�Good ones >>
Funny timing. Actually I just bought a MONSTER rainbow toned 1924 peace dollar for a song...
1/2 Cents
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Lets start a guess the buyer thread.
Why does that matter? FWIW I know who the buyer is. >>
yes i insured it for $2000. paid almost $40 to ship it.
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I believe the OP was provided with an insurance tracking number, the format was consistent with the codes used on the "insured over $200" forms used by the USPS. Those codes are not trackable by you and me through their web tracking service, but the USPS can track them internally. This is why he was able to get information from his local PO with it, yet he cannot watch for updates himself.
It only would have cost about a buck more for Delivery Confirmation, which is trackable through the USPS web site, but the buyer might have felt this was redundant since the type of insurance he chose required a signature on delivery already. Honestly, if the buyer hadn't cut several corners in shipping the coin back to the OP, this thread would ave ended 245 posts ago.
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How do you know that? Changing the amount of insurance wouldn't have done squat to help delivery. Also using double tracking doesn't assure that both forms will get scanned at every stop. How many here have never gotten packages that DC said was delivered? Lots and lots? Buying DC wouldn't have helped delivery either. >>
I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind.
it was said to be a potential in your OP.
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it was said to be a potential in your OP.
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yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion.
Well I just had to get in on this tread since it might beat the dang thread about
Apmex selling hockey pucks, na it won't, that baby still rears it's head up every
once and awhile. Back to the OP. There are some very trusting people on this
forum that send coins to buyers that say they want them and ain't paid for
them yet. Also ones that ship coins before a check clears. I guess it's just me
and that way I have seen so much stuff that even a trust that is earned can
easily be broken in this day and age. Like Ten Bears told Josey Wales,
" There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is
iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. "
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I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
Sean Reynolds
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I didn't say the additional insurance or tracking would have helped delivery, I sad that this thread wouldn't have the same legs if the buyer had properly insured and tracked the package.
Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
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thank you, i wasnt lashing out at you and it isnt my intention to sound like an ass. Just kind of pissed about this whole deal. Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all.
<< <i>Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all. >>
Have you considered the possibility that the wrong address is on the return shipment? Have buyer confirm the address he sent it back to.
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Do you really think we'd be 320+ posts in if the OP had started a thread that said: "The PO seems to have lost a $2000 coin that was out on approval. The tracking says it is in my local PO but nobody can locate it. Luckily, the buyer insured it for the full amount so even if it never turns up I'm covered."
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you failed to grasp the coin was not out for approval. Buyer wanted to pay the rest when he received it. Then all of a sudden changed his mind. >>
Okay, change "that was out on approval" to "that he changed his mind about buying" in the post above. My point still stands. By the way I'm 100% on your side in this, he owes you $2000 or your coin.
Sean Reynolds
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thank you, i wasnt lashing out at you and it isnt my intention to sound like an ass. Just kind of pissed about this whole deal. Buyer is telling me now they attempted to deliver again today with a pink slip. I have not had any slips come and my mailman is very good friends with my family and he would not lie to me. NOTHING has come at all. >>
Have you taken the simple step of asking him to confirm the address to which the coin was shipped? They may be leaving those slips on someone else's door. I'd also ask him for the name of the person to whom he's speaking at your local PO, maybe it's time to give them a call yourself and confirm that part of his story.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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This thread is too funny. >>
That is one early statement, yes. >>
It's impossible to pin down what the OP did and did not say since he constantly edits his prior posts, which IMO calls his credibility into question.
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yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion. >>
You constant changing of the facts by editing your posts gives you ZERO credibility in my book.
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yes and i told you earlier this morning, it was CHANGED because people came to the wrong conclusion. >>
You constant changing of the facts by editing your posts gives you ZERO credibility in my book. >>
Dont worry, I won't be selling to you anytime soon.
<< <i>Dont worry, I won't be selling to you anytime soon. >>
What, me worry? I wouldn't deal with you under any circumstances, so you don't have to worry.
Box of 20
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
U.S.P.S. Insured Domestic Only Over $200. I have a small stack of these that I occassionally use. I suppose I've had them a couple of years now. On the bottom they read: "PS Form 3813-P, May 2007" (I assume the date of printing). All begin with VH..... not VF. Another poster also stated VH was the beginning of this "code".
Just saying and adding to the drama.