<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
look im not trying to be an jerk here. I have done many flawless transactions in and out of this forum. the reason I am so pissed is
He underinsured it. He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up.
<< <i>Sounds like he may still have the coin to me . >>
That thought also crossed my mind.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Sounds like he may still have the coin to me . >>
That thought also crossed my mind. >>
that has also crossed my mind. A frequent poster in this thread mentioned to me in PMs at how excited the buyer was about the coin. Some things just dont add up!
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
This is sounding an awful lot like this buyer is lying to you.
<< <i>I believe he did and they told him they couldn't find it even tho it is supposed to be there. >>
In your opinion Is a package that is late not also "suppose to be there"? >>
Late would mean that the package had not been scanned at the receiving post office on the day it was expected to be there. >>
Maybe I am missing a post somewhere but I do not see where anyone at his PO confirmed that the package was scanned there. In fact I am seeing the opposite, that he was given a tracking number that cannot be tracked at all. How can his local PO confirm that the package was scanned there if at the same time he is saying the tracking # is untrackable? What exactly would they punch into the computer to bridge this gap og logic? The "pink slip at his house" also doesnt add up to me. If they cannot track the package with the supposedly wrong tracking # he was given, then how are they making the connection with anything being attempted with a pink slip being left? Let me give you an example of how this doesnt add up.
TR: Hi can you track this package for me? #xxxxx123455678 PO: We show no record of that tracking #, however we tried to deliver it to your house and left a slip.
Does that make any sense to you? Cause it sure does not to me. >>
no pink slip was left. which leads me to believe something fishy is going on. >>
Now I am really lost, you give them a tracking number, they say there is no record but that they tried to deliever and a pink slip was left. How would they know they tried to deliver that package if they don't have a tracking number to know it is that package, I am sure you get other packages? >>
I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
I thought u contacted the USPS, why would you listen to anything he is telling you. He has to give you his proof, if he doesn't then you need to go after him. period! >>
honestly im not even sure he shipped it. So at this point i pretty much just want my $1800 and if the coin somehow magically shows up after that he can have his money back.
<< <i>He underinsured it. He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
If I was on the buying side of the transaction I would immediately scan and forward to the seller all the return paperwork from the PO. Of course I would have insured it for the right amount. But that's just me......
Hopefully we will hear from the buyer, because there are always two sides to these things........
<< <i>I believe he did and they told him they couldn't find it even tho it is supposed to be there. >>
In your opinion Is a package that is late not also "suppose to be there"? >>
Late would mean that the package had not been scanned at the receiving post office on the day it was expected to be there. >>
Maybe I am missing a post somewhere but I do not see where anyone at his PO confirmed that the package was scanned there. In fact I am seeing the opposite, that he was given a tracking number that cannot be tracked at all. How can his local PO confirm that the package was scanned there if at the same time he is saying the tracking # is untrackable? What exactly would they punch into the computer to bridge this gap og logic? The "pink slip at his house" also doesnt add up to me. If they cannot track the package with the supposedly wrong tracking # he was given, then how are they making the connection with anything being attempted with a pink slip being left? Let me give you an example of how this doesnt add up.
TR: Hi can you track this package for me? #xxxxx123455678 PO: We show no record of that tracking #, however we tried to deliver it to your house and left a slip.
Does that make any sense to you? Cause it sure does not to me. >>
no pink slip was left. which leads me to believe something fishy is going on. >>
Now I am really lost, you give them a tracking number, they say there is no record but that they tried to deliever and a pink slip was left. How would they know they tried to deliver that package if they don't have a tracking number to know it is that package, I am sure you get other packages? >>
I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
That looks like it might be an Insurance number which would not be trackable online but if its for $300 as stated, does require a signature upon delivery.
But then, I think the OP is simply over-reacting to a slow delivery. I also find it odd that the buyer has not posted his side of the story.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>He underinsured it. He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
Russ, NCNE >>
Correct,and doesnt mean a coin was ever in the return empty envelope
Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
<< <i>He underinsured it. He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
Russ, NCNE >>
Ahhh. My Express numbers begin with EG.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
This is sounding an awful lot like this buyer is lying to you.
Russ, NCNE >>
That seems like an insurance tracking number to me. The ones that originate in Ames, IA are VH 159 062 xxx US
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
look im not trying to be an jerk here. I have done many flawless transactions in and out of this forum. the reason I am so pissed is
He underinsured it. He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up. >>
No need to add tracking and DC unless PayPal requires it. It is a waste of money since the insurance number provides tracking. When you have duplicate services on the same parcel, there is no assurance that both will be scanned at every stop.
I didn't real all of this monster thread. I think there's a decent chance the coin will still show up at the OP's home. The USPS is not perfect. Has anyone ever had this happen besides me.
I have a POB. Delivery was supposedly made, it showed up online as Delivery Confirmed. Only problem was, I never recv'd it. Pretty difficult when seller has delivery confirmation to argue with them. The package came from a Seller that thinks insurance is a waste of money, only belives in delivery confirmations. Wouldn't have done any good any how's since USPS wouldn't pay on a pkge confirmed as delivered. It looked like I was just screwed.
A few wks go by and I get a call from the Branch. They found the package in one of the locked bins that customers access for oversized mail. They claimed the key had to have been put in my POB to retreive pkge when they placed it. I get several packages, open the bins frequently to get them, but I swear there was never a key for that particular bin. Chit happens.
The confusion stems from the OPs insistance that the package was lost, but bases this on what might be a shady buyers word. What is really happening is that for one reason or another, the buyer is trying to push the idea that it is lost. I dont think this is the case, neither for legit nor non-legit reasons. Not yet anyway. He either has the coin, or it is still in transit and both parties have a poor understanding of the USPS system.
<< <i>The confusion stems from the OPs insistance that the package was lost, but bases this on what might be a shady buyers word. What is really happening is that for one reason or another, the buyer is trying to push the idea that it is lost. I dont think this is the case, neither for legit nor non-legit reasons. Not yet anyway. He either has the coin, or it is still in transit and both parties have a poor understanding of the USPS system. >>
Actually, I think the "confusion" is stemming from information that has not been shared and the seemingly inept information that has been shared.
2 days late, does not constitute "lost" regardless of where the package might be or "should" be.
Additionally, I find it very difficult to believe that the buyer has not contacted the OP via PM and stated his/her position with regard to this situation.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Im a bit late to this party but figured I include my 2¢ on the matter. If the buyer agreed to the $2k and had the option to either pay or return, its there responsibility to insure it for that price and to make sure you get it. I do feel the OP is a bit paranoid that its lost but who wouldn't be especially when its not insured at the correct value. All in all regardless how much you think the coin is worth the OP and buyer had an agreed upon amount and that's the amount it should of been insured for.
"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin.
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin. >>
I guess I was looking at the other 10 edits of yours spread all over the place. I don't know what to think, I think. Good luck as I wished you earlier.
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin. >>
I guess I was looking at the other 10 edits of yours spread all over the place. I don't know what to think, I think. Good luck as I wished you earlier.
Eric >>
more than likely for spelling. Most of the posts were from my iphone.
I was under the impression that the OP has said (somewhere) the parcel had been tracked to HIS Post Office and when he went there to pick it up they said it could not be found.
If a postal employee told me that I'd think it was lost. At least for the moment. Lost somewhere in the postal facility.
<< <i>I was under the impression that the OP has said (somewhere) the parcel had been tracked to HIS Post Office and when he went there to pick it up they said it could not be found.
If a postal employee told me that I'd think it was lost. At least for the moment. Lost somewhere in the postal facility. >>
yes thats what the buyer told me in a PM. no package has been located yet and the PostMaster for my area is looking for it now.
Here's my take. First off, you're putting the cart before the horse. It's only been a few days so the item could very well show. I've had packages going from IL to Texas that showed up 2 weeks later. Some patience may yield results. Even if the item was insured for full value you have to wait 30 days to make a claim anyway.
Second... it's possible it's a scam, but it seems to me a scammer would pick an easier-to-sell item to target. This piece would be too recognizable due to the unique toning, so unless the guy simply just wanted it for his own collection-an oddity amongst scammers, who are normally in it for the money- though possible it seems unlikely that this is the case imo.
I do sympathize in that if this goes bad you will likely need to go to small claims court to get your money. Winning's not necessarily a given either...you'll have to establish the $2000 value, which may be problematic since the value of your piece is derived from an extremely subjective criterion- the color. A judge normally deals with verifiable numbers, so this could be a big problem. Hate to say it but you'll likely be limited to what you can prove as value, which in your case is what you paid for the piece.
Finally-All that said...none of this happens if you had simply gotten paid up front. I'm just saying.
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Perhaps instead of casting aspersions on the buyer's honesty, integrity and intelligence, you should have kept quiet until this thing is resolved also. A package that is a few days late is most definitely not "lost". Your constant revisions of your posts call your credibility into question. Just sayin...
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Perhaps instead of casting aspersions on the buyer's honesty, integrity and intelligence, you should have kept quiet until this thing is resolved also. A package that is a few days late is most definitely not "lost". Your constant revisions of your posts call your credibility into question. Just sayin... >>
Completely agree. Unfortunately, I believe this to be one of those cases where one party of a transaction dispute between two forum members will use "open discussion" to motivate desired action from the other forum member. What makes it worse is I also don't believe they have reached the point of a dispute since it appears the coin may only be delayed in being returned to the seller. Seller may have been building his case in the court of forum public opinion just in case. For all we know, the buyer may have been prepared to "self insure" the difference after purchasing the minimum necessary to obtain security and trackability.
<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin?
<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself
<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan.
Comments
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
look im not trying to be an jerk here. I have done many flawless transactions in and out of this forum. the reason I am so pissed is
He underinsured it.
He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking
he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight
he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it
he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up.
<< <i>Sounds like he may still have the coin to me .
That thought also crossed my mind.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>
<< <i>Sounds like he may still have the coin to me .
That thought also crossed my mind. >>
that has also crossed my mind. A frequent poster in this thread mentioned to me in PMs at how excited the buyer was about the coin. Some things just dont add up!
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
This is sounding an awful lot like this buyer is lying to you.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I believe he did and they told him they couldn't find it even tho it is supposed to be there. >>
In your opinion Is a package that is late not also "suppose to be there"? >>
Late would mean that the package had not been scanned at the receiving post office on the day it was expected to be there. >>
Maybe I am missing a post somewhere but I do not see where anyone at his PO confirmed that the package was scanned there. In fact I am seeing the opposite, that he was given a tracking number that cannot be tracked at all. How can his local PO confirm that the package was scanned there if at the same time he is saying the tracking # is untrackable? What exactly would they punch into the computer to bridge this gap og logic? The "pink slip at his house" also doesnt add up to me. If they cannot track the package with the supposedly wrong tracking # he was given, then how are they making the connection with anything being attempted with a pink slip being left? Let me give you an example of how this doesnt add up.
TR: Hi can you track this package for me? #xxxxx123455678
PO: We show no record of that tracking #, however we tried to deliver it to your house and left a slip.
Does that make any sense to you? Cause it sure does not to me. >>
no pink slip was left. which leads me to believe something fishy is going on. >>
Now I am really lost, you give them a tracking number, they say there is no record but that they tried to deliever and a pink slip was left. How would they know they tried to deliver that package if they don't have a tracking number to know it is that package, I am sure you get other packages? >>
I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
I thought u contacted the USPS, why would you listen to anything he is telling you.
He has to give you his proof, if he doesn't then you need to go after him. period! >>
honestly im not even sure he shipped it. So at this point i pretty much just want my $1800 and if the coin somehow magically shows up after that he can have his money back.
<< <i>He underinsured it.
He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking
he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight
he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it
he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
Russ, NCNE
Hopefully we will hear from the buyer, because there are always two sides to these things........
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I believe he did and they told him they couldn't find it even tho it is supposed to be there. >>
In your opinion Is a package that is late not also "suppose to be there"? >>
Late would mean that the package had not been scanned at the receiving post office on the day it was expected to be there. >>
Maybe I am missing a post somewhere but I do not see where anyone at his PO confirmed that the package was scanned there. In fact I am seeing the opposite, that he was given a tracking number that cannot be tracked at all. How can his local PO confirm that the package was scanned there if at the same time he is saying the tracking # is untrackable? What exactly would they punch into the computer to bridge this gap og logic? The "pink slip at his house" also doesnt add up to me. If they cannot track the package with the supposedly wrong tracking # he was given, then how are they making the connection with anything being attempted with a pink slip being left? Let me give you an example of how this doesnt add up.
TR: Hi can you track this package for me? #xxxxx123455678
PO: We show no record of that tracking #, however we tried to deliver it to your house and left a slip.
Does that make any sense to you? Cause it sure does not to me. >>
no pink slip was left. which leads me to believe something fishy is going on. >>
Now I am really lost, you give them a tracking number, they say there is no record but that they tried to deliever and a pink slip was left. How would they know they tried to deliver that package if they don't have a tracking number to know it is that package, I am sure you get other packages? >>
I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
That looks like it might be an Insurance number which would not be trackable online but if its for $300 as stated, does require a signature upon delivery.
But then, I think the OP is simply over-reacting to a slow delivery.
I also find it odd that the buyer has not posted his side of the story.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>He underinsured it.
He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking
he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight
he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it
he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
Russ, NCNE >>
Correct,and doesnt mean a coin was ever in the return empty envelope
<< <i>
<< <i>He underinsured it.
He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking
he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight
he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it
he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up >>
If all he used was insurance, the only number he'd be able to provide is the insurance number. The number he provided is NOT an insurance number. It is the form and correct number of characters that would be used for Express Mail or Registered Mail.
Russ, NCNE >>
Ahhh. My Express numbers begin with EG.
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>I am only going by what the buyer told me. In a recent PM he stated it was at the PO and that they attempted delivery and a slip was left. No attempt was made, and no slip was left. My family is extremely good friends with our Mailman and he lives right up the street from me, he never forgets to leave a slip. The buyer is telling me the item is at the post office and they are going to return it to him if i dont pick it up. Went there and they dont have it!
this is the number he gave me, which doesnt work.
vf255261195us >>
This is sounding an awful lot like this buyer is lying to you.
Russ, NCNE >>
That seems like an insurance tracking number to me. The ones that originate in Ames, IA are VH 159 062 xxx US
<< <i>
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
<< <i>When/if this coin arrives it will prove this entire thread was posted prematurely and could harm OP's future sales to those that read it. May prove to have been a bad business decision to do so. Hope not, OP seems to be a good guy. >>
look im not trying to be an jerk here. I have done many flawless transactions in and out of this forum. the reason I am so pissed is
He underinsured it.
He didnt add delivery comfirmation and tracking
he sent it priority when i spent $35 to mail it to him express overnight
he made me wait two weeks before finally telling me he wanted it
he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up. >>
No need to add tracking and DC unless PayPal requires it. It is a waste of money since the insurance number provides tracking. When you have duplicate services on the same parcel, there is no assurance that both will be scanned at every stop.
Russ, NCNE
I didn't real all of this monster thread. I think there's a decent chance the coin will still show up at the OP's home. The USPS is not perfect.
Has anyone ever had this happen besides me.
I have a POB. Delivery was supposedly made, it showed up online as Delivery Confirmed. Only problem was, I never recv'd it. Pretty difficult when seller has delivery confirmation to argue with them. The package came from a Seller that thinks insurance is a waste of money, only belives in delivery confirmations. Wouldn't have done any good any how's since USPS wouldn't pay on a pkge confirmed as delivered. It looked like I was just screwed.
A few wks go by and I get a call from the Branch. They found the package in one of the locked bins that customers access for oversized mail. They claimed the key had to have been put in my POB to retreive pkge when they placed it. I get several packages, open the bins frequently to get them, but I swear there was never a key for that particular bin. Chit happens.
<< <i>The confusion stems from the OPs insistance that the package was lost, but bases this on what might be a shady buyers word. What is really happening is that for one reason or another, the buyer is trying to push the idea that it is lost. I dont think this is the case, neither for legit nor non-legit reasons. Not yet anyway. He either has the coin, or it is still in transit and both parties have a poor understanding of the USPS system. >>
Actually, I think the "confusion" is stemming from information that has not been shared and the seemingly inept information that has been shared.
2 days late, does not constitute "lost" regardless of where the package might be or "should" be.
Additionally, I find it very difficult to believe that the buyer has not contacted the OP via PM and stated his/her position with regard to this situation.
The name is LEE!
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved.
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin.
<< <i>
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Oh dear ...
<< <i>
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin. >>
I guess I was looking at the other 10 edits of yours spread all over the place. I don't know what to think, I think. Good luck as I wished you earlier.
Eric
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>"he tells me all these things about my PO that dont seem to add up."
What happened to clearing up the "no longer there" vs "was never there" or whatever you were asked yesterday? Some of this makes no sense, other parts are being edited. From post #1 on even as of last night. I'll be premature myself and say I would not deal with either one of you at this point. This like the old Pimpernel poem or an Oliver Stone Film. It is interesting but I am not sure whatever it is has been fully demonstrated.
Eric >>
only edited out a misconception in the first post. I took out Potential in potential buyer, as it was not sent out on approval, but sent out first to get the rest of the money once he received the coin. >>
I guess I was looking at the other 10 edits of yours spread all over the place. I don't know what to think, I think. Good luck as I wished you earlier.
Eric >>
more than likely for spelling. Most of the posts were from my iphone.
Post Office and when he went there to pick it up they said it could not be found.
If a postal employee told me that I'd think it was lost. At least for the moment.
Lost somewhere in the postal facility.
<< <i>I was under the impression that the OP has said (somewhere) the parcel had been tracked to HIS
Post Office and when he went there to pick it up they said it could not be found.
If a postal employee told me that I'd think it was lost. At least for the moment.
Lost somewhere in the postal facility. >>
yes thats what the buyer told me in a PM. no package has been located yet and the PostMaster for my area is looking for it now.
<< <i>Did the non buyer ever explain how he was able to track it and nobody else apparantly can ? >>
First off, you're putting the cart before the horse. It's only been a few days so the item could very well show. I've had packages going from IL to Texas that showed up 2 weeks later. Some patience may yield results. Even if the item was insured for full value you have to wait 30 days to make a claim anyway.
Second... it's possible it's a scam, but it seems to me a scammer would pick an easier-to-sell item to target. This piece would be too recognizable due to the unique toning, so unless the guy simply just wanted it for his own collection-an oddity amongst scammers, who are normally in it for the money- though possible it seems unlikely that this is the case imo.
I do sympathize in that if this goes bad you will likely need to go to small claims court to get your money. Winning's not necessarily a given either...you'll have to establish the $2000 value, which may be problematic since the value of your piece is derived from an extremely subjective criterion- the color. A judge normally deals with verifiable numbers, so this could be a big problem. Hate to say it but you'll likely be limited to what you can prove as value, which in your case is what you paid for the piece.
Finally-All that said...none of this happens if you had simply gotten paid up front. I'm just saying.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Maybe he doesn't care to participate in a forum jury trial.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Maybe he doesn't care to participate in a forum jury trial. >>
Can you blame him?
<< <i>
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Perhaps instead of casting aspersions on the buyer's honesty, integrity and intelligence, you should have kept quiet until this thing is resolved also.
A package that is a few days late is most definitely not "lost".
Your constant revisions of your posts call your credibility into question.
Just sayin...
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Why haven't we heard "the other side" of the story? Would love to be a fly on the PM wall with the messages between these two parties. >>
he told me he is keeping quiet until this gets resolved. >>
Perhaps instead of casting aspersions on the buyer's honesty, integrity and intelligence, you should have kept quiet until this thing is resolved also.
A package that is a few days late is most definitely not "lost".
Your constant revisions of your posts call your credibility into question.
Just sayin... >>
Completely agree. Unfortunately, I believe this to be one of those cases where one party of a transaction dispute between two forum members will use "open discussion" to motivate desired action from the other forum member. What makes it worse is I also don't believe they have reached the point of a dispute since it appears the coin may only be delayed in being returned to the seller. Seller may have been building his case in the court of forum public opinion just in case. For all we know, the buyer may have been prepared to "self insure" the difference after purchasing the minimum necessary to obtain security and trackability.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
Box of 20
<< <i>I guess you can take it to small claims court without a lawyer involved. With a lawyer, he will get your $2K. >>
i get it provided free from work
As far as this thread goes. I will leave my comments until after this gets resolved. (i hope)
Title: Severely ticked off. Am I Wrong?
Answer: Yes. It's only been two days.
The name is LEE!
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
<< <i>
<< <i>I guess you can take it to small claims court without a lawyer involved. With a lawyer, he will get your $2K. >>
i get it provided free from work
As far as this thread goes. I will leave my comments until after this gets resolved. (i hope) >>
....you work for the Space Dept. ; is that right ?
<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin?
<< <i>
<< <i>Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question. >>
Maybe because he isn't an anal-retentive, obsessive lunatic who thinks that a package that is a few days late is "lost" and imagines a vast conspiracy to rip him off for his highly over-valued coin? >>
Who the hell are you to call my coin overpriced. You haven't made one post that has anything rational to do with what's going on. Keep your Asinine posts to yourself
<< <i>Why do I have this sinking feeling that the buyer who supposedly told you a stroy about lost mail, may have learned something during that mishap and is now using what he learned here....just a thought.
Interesting that you said that he said he wasn't going to come on here uuntil it is resolved yet he is the one who can resolve it for the most part. Sure if the parcel was lost, nothing he can to do about that, but he can sure feel in a lot of blanks to clear up a great deal of the confusion. Like another member said, I would be emailing and faxing you info feverishly in order to help resolve it and all I hear he/she is doing is ......well nothing. And telling you what the usps said when he called is pretty darn weak. It is almost like the seller is so nonfunctional that he is frozen in his tracks which I can't figure out and when I do I don't like what I come up with.....which is nothing.
This all took place a short time ago, so all is fresh in both party's minds. If the seller lost the paperwork, you would have heard about that fact, but you didn't. so where is the paperwork? He admitted he underinsured it which is an honest admission but to my memory hasn't proven it via paperwork which should be easy since he never admitted losing it, and he can't now way after the fact and after the other admission. In fact he goes so far as saying the PO says they left you a pink slip so by saying that he is admitting at elast shipping something although I guess that could be a tall story to cover his tracks, since it comes with zero proof.
Why isn't the buyer rushing around to provide you with all the supporting dcouments immediately is the big question.
I smell money problems here, he already admitted that along the lines of asking you to hold the coin for two weeks.
You know he received it...fact, and he tells you he mailed albeit in the complete wrong manner.....not fact until proven........ and that really is all you know. >>
What do you expect the shipper to do? His only recourse is to have his PO track the shipment. He can notify the last PO known to have scanned it and ask them to look for it and move it along if they find it. The only thing the recipient can do with the number is verify that the shipper shipped it. Let the postal people do their job. It is out there somewhere. If you look at the tracking report I posted, you will see that the package diasppeared into thin phlogiston for 17 days. It was finally delivered last thursday, almost a month after it was mailed and forwarded. While in hindsight it wasn't smart to underinsure the package, that is of no consequence unless it is declared lost. There is nothing presented so far to show that the buyer was being intentionally dishonest except for the propensity of some to immediately suggest fraud if something doesn't go exactly to plan.