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1898 O Morgan DMPL or just PL?

tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
Another Morgan crossed my path today. It is toned and hard to photograph but the fields are mirrored.
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    tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    To me, based on the photographs, it's just plain MS. If I saw it in hand, I might have a different thought.
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    It is definitely mirrored. I can see my ugly mug in it. My photography skills suck. I guess I need a verbal definition between PL and DMPL. And how does the toning affect this?
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    to help out here

    the direct photograph of the obverse isn't toning, it is the mint grease/sawdust that is on the surfaces. one of my favorite type of surfaces on coins, usually means it has not been messed with.
    check out the 1889 CC on coin facts. It is ultra-high grade with an amazing amount of the grease/sawdust still on the surfaces, extremely sexy. from my very basic research, the grease was applied so that the coins wouldn't stick to the dies and/or allow them to eject easily preventing a whole mess of problems ie mint errors.
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    the definition of pl vs dmpl is "distance" for the reflectivity from the eyes with some cameo etc definitions including the amount of "luster" "frost" on the devices for obv/rev.
    dmpl i think is usually 8-10"

    defining DMPLvsPLvsCameo etc is highly speculative and as the dies wore out the percentage or degree of reflectivity/frost/luster decreases producing tens of or even hundreds of thousands of "in-between" surfaces with many obverses better than reverses and reverses better than obverses

    the dmpl surfaces would be early die states and they were business strikes and put into mint sealed bags and also sustained "table marks" from the sorting tables at the mints.

    i had some images of the sorting tables with actual mint employees sorting but can't find them as of late, hmm.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    awe heck, i'll just save you all the trouble

    here is the phenomenal 1889 CC

    yummah yummah for mah tummah

    I am thinking it is an ms 68 - i love it isn't one of those BS stripped down white "supposed" original surfaces that everyone knows virtually cannot exist - maybe a few white ones, but highly unlikely

    without further ado, ty to PCGS for sharing this with us

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    <--- look what's behind the mask! - cool link 1/NO ~ 2/NNP ~ 3/NNC ~ 4/CF ~ 5/PG ~ 6/Cert ~ 7/NGC 7a/NGC pop~ 8/NGCF ~ 9/HA archives ~ 10/PM ~ 11/NM ~ 12/ANACS cert ~ 13/ANACS pop - report fakes 1/ACEF ~ report fakes/thefts 1/NCIS - Numi-Classes SS ~ Bass ~ Transcribed Docs NNP - clashed coins - error training - V V mm styles -

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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the information Lance. I am going to send it out to have graded
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    1) the first coin posted does not look PL at all. Semi proof like at best. 2) Hey Lance, very few original white Morgans? What all about the white GSA's? image

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