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<< <i>Truly a face only a mother (father) could love
you aint kidding
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Take a good close look at that piece, notice carefully the planchet fields in the area near the O in Auctori. See how it laminates down, and then the O is actually very well formed on TOP of the overall planchet surface? Another such area is in the end of the necktie bows...the too overlap an area of planchet field irregularity. This overall lamination, if you follow it, it goes from the area on the left, jogs upward, angles...and continues roughly the border of the head wreath and goes off the head behind the lock of hair on the top.
This is showing us that the copper rolled planchet stock was horrid. The coin is actually holding a great deal of detail, on top of a brutally surfaced planchet. No doubt it has spent some time in the ground...it seems that so many of them have, but overall there is an absence of the light granularity that is so often seen on Vermonts.
One odd thing that I notice with this piece, is that though it is the exact size and weight of one of my Conneticut coppers, the 'ring' of the coin when dropped on the table is slightly different. Also, another one of these I have, a higher grade one, shows a VERY unusual color of the metal when I catch it just right in the light. There is quite a degree of luster (for lack of a better term) that is in that piece, and reflective view of the surface shows a color that I can only describe as bronze/brass . Ive SEEN that color before, when I was on a Cannon crew at the 125th gettysburg reenactment. It was the exact color of our 1841 smoothbore cannon! ~~ Tony Carlotto explores the possibility that instead of using pure copper for the Ryder 9 10 11 and 15 pieces...that some old item was melted instead, such as a piece of machinery or a cannon. Now, we are here in 1785, not too far from the operations of the french and indian wars, and the revolution...I would think that here and there an old cannon was to be had. No doubt many had exploded over the years! At the standard weight, 100 pounds of old metal would give you 5,800 colonial coppers. To me, that seems like a fairly good estimate of what the coinage run of one of these varieties may have been. It was more up to the harmony between the crude dies and the crude metal. Good dies striking soft copper would last longer than mediocre dies striking hard metal. All of these Vermonts show significant die erosion and failure. Steelmaking was very much in its infancy and I would say all unuseable dies were thrown into the melt furnace at once and reused to create new dies. NO colonial dies survive to this day....most likely this is the reason.
Many Vermont collectors 'fall' for this coin. Hinkley did....Carlotto admits he admires it....and no doubt the list goes on. With only about 200-250 extant, and a coin which is held in MANY institutions and locked collections, the supply is limited. Im guessing it is a bit of a "horading" coin also, and will admit to having three of them (so far). Finest known is the MS63 (estimated) piece in the Vermont Historical Society, then an AU53, top PCGS is the AU50 shown in Coin facts, with exactly the SAME clip as my coin here, then an AU50, and XF and a few VF pieces...and downhill from there.
the esotericus disease has fully progressed in me
Just something to brighten your daynull
Herb