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The first map of the US made after the Revolution
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A few months ago, one of the few extant copies of the first map made of the US after the American Revolution sold at a Christie's auction for $2.1 million. The map was made in 1784 and was the first map to show the US flag. The mapmaker was Abel Buell, who numismatists know as the maker of the dies for the Fugio Cent. Link to photo of map and auction writeup.
I thought it was cool that Buell had a hand in two very well known collectibles which are so different.
And it also reminded me of the late Rob Retz, board member here under the handle Abuell and Fugio expert, who passed away some years back.
I thought it was cool that Buell had a hand in two very well known collectibles which are so different.
And it also reminded me of the late Rob Retz, board member here under the handle Abuell and Fugio expert, who passed away some years back.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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102 capped bust half dollars - 100 die marriages
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Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
Thanks for sharing.
Very interesting.
Too bad you can't zoom in enough to read the small print.
I really enjoyed seeing that. Thanks for the link.
John
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Ron
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
Thanks for sharing. I'm sure glad Georgia changed it's shape, sure wouldn't want to be that close to Louisiana all the time
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Thanks for the thread, pretty interesting stuff.
It is interesting to see "Meridian of Philadelphia"
<< <i>Why is her cap on top of the pole? >>
From http://www.banknoteden.com/TMFOM%20Liberty%20Cap%20set.htm...
In 1675 the Sons of Liberty, a formal underground secret pre revolutionary organization of American Patriots from the 13 colonies, adopted the Liberty Pole and Cap as a symbol of liberty. The Liberty Pole is a pole similar to a flagpole which would fly a flag or be topped with a Phrygian Cap. Handbills would be printed summoning interested parties to meetings and speeches for Liberty at various places including the Liberty Tree and Liberty Pole. It is likely that the pole or tree was adorned with the cap during such meetings to draw people to the spot. During the American Revolution, soldiers in the North Eastern colonies were known to wear red caps embroidered with “Liberty” or “Liberty or Death”.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
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<< <i>Why is her cap on top of the pole? >>
From http://www.banknoteden.com/TMFOM%20Liberty%20Cap%20set.htm...
In 1675 the Sons of Liberty, a formal underground secret pre revolutionary organization of American Patriots from the 13 colonies, adopted the Liberty Pole and Cap as a symbol of liberty. The Liberty Pole is a pole similar to a flagpole which would fly a flag or be topped with a Phrygian Cap. Handbills would be printed summoning interested parties to meetings and speeches for Liberty at various places including the Liberty Tree and Liberty Pole. It is likely that the pole or tree was adorned with the cap during such meetings to draw people to the spot. During the American Revolution, soldiers in the North Eastern colonies were known to wear red caps embroidered with “Liberty” or “Liberty or Death”. >>
Wow! Thanks for the info, I had absolutely no idea. Fascinating stuff!
I am researching the history of Robert Scot for a book (US Mint Chief Engraver 1793-1823), who engraved a couple of maps mentioned in the article (but not noted). At the bottom of the article under "Saleroom Notice" there is mention of a "small" battle map of Yorktown. This was "Investment of York and Gloucester" engraved by Robert Scot in 1782, and was the first map to have a US flag. It was a historically important map that documented much of the information now used in history books for the decisive final battle of the American Revolution.
Before the 1783 Treaty of Paris was signed on September 3, Abel Buell and William McMurray were both working on their maps of the United States. Buell's map was released 8 months earlier, but McMurray continued to compile current information, including Thomas Jefferson's outline of proposed new states in the Land Ordinance of 1784. This was the reason the McMurray map came later, and not because of printing issues. Robert Scot engraved the McMurray map, and also had his own printing facilities. McMurray was an assistant geographer for the Continental Army, his map was more accurate and complete than Buell's, was advertised heavily and sold many copies.
<< <i>Land owned by each state was clearly defined along the coast, but became increasingly indetermintate the further west one went. While states might have claimed ownership of land all the way to the Mississippi, this claim was dubious and not well backed, though the Louisiana Purchase did help solidify the claim internationally. Still, there were people alreeady there with their own nations but a very different culture, one that thought the whole idea of owning land a bit absurd--until armed soldiers started asking them to move. >>
"Asking them to move" That's funny - not.
What's interesting too is that this map helped spark the controversy between Michigan and Ohio over the 'Toledo Strip' after the passage of the Northwest Ordinance of 1787. This inaccurate map shows the southern tip of Lake Michigan too far North. Ohio, in passage of its constitution in 1803 moved their northern boundry on an angle to include the Maumee basin and present day Toledo. We almost had a mini-civil war some thirty years earlier than thee 'War between the States'.
Great map. Thanks for sharing!!
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yes, ty for a fascinating and important post
i do really enjoy reading/watching/listening about how our country was formed and the events that led/lead to it
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<< <i>Land owned by each state was clearly defined along the coast, but became increasingly indetermintate the further west one went. While states might have claimed ownership of land all the way to the Mississippi, this claim was dubious and not well backed, though the Louisiana Purchase did help solidify the claim internationally. Still, there were people alreeady there with their own nations but a very different culture, one that thought the whole idea of owning land a bit absurd--until armed soldiers started asking them to move. >>
Did you mean the settlers who built homes that were attacked and burnt by the Indians and had to be protected?
Please don't make up your brand of history here. There's a whole ugly Internet for that.
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"<< Land owned by each state was clearly defined along the coast, but became increasingly indeterminate the further west one went. While states might have claimed ownership of land all the way to the Mississippi, this claim was dubious and not well backed, though the Louisiana Purchase did help solidify the claim internationally. Still, there were people already there with their own nations but a very different culture, one that thought the whole idea of owning land a bit absurd--until armed soldiers started asking them to move. >>"
Unless I am mistaken the land of America was in fact strong-armed which is what that post is signifying. To state someone discovered a place with tens/hundreds of thousands of people is absurd. Obviously how nations got/get started is through theft/war. It is pretty much how it has always been done.
I am not Saying Howard Zinn's A People's History was incorrect but it sounded about right to me.
NO desire to get into the semantics; simply offering a different perspective of what those words quoted above seemed to mean.
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