Ebay fee avoidance - a new twist
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With fees so high, I don't understand how so many people can sell so many different things on eBay and stay in the black. I applaud his creativity but have a feeling he will be squashed like a bug...we will see.
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
Policy overview
We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. Also, members can't use information obtained from eBay to contact each other about buying or selling outside of eBay.
<< <i>Wouldn't this fall under the policy about selling outside of Ebay?:
Policy overview
We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. Also, members can't use information obtained from eBay to contact each other about buying or selling outside of eBay. >>
Yes it does. However, ebay cannot dictate or control what members do with information obtained from ebay. They can however limit and control the information in listings. Just got a message from them that later in the year they will be clamping down on information such as email addresses and phone numbers that appear in listings. What I always found amazing was paypal's stupidity in providing an email address (account name) of all buyers to the seller.
"A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."
Cool idea, I hope it works.
<< <i>that gives me a interesting idea .... how about selling raffle tickets limit of 500 raffle tickets prize is 1 ATB >>
Against eBay policy and also illegal.
-Paul
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<< <i>that gives me a interesting idea .... how about selling raffle tickets limit of 500 raffle tickets prize is 1 ATB >>
Against eBay policy and also illegal.
-Paul >>
Didn't stop the TFCT prizewise.com competition a decade ago. That site was cool! But the TFCT management screwed everything up. I think I still own like 10 cents in shares of that company. I should probably not admit to that otcbb ownership. *grin*
It was a raffle site setup like ebay, but you purchased one dollar raffle tickets. You entered your raffle tickets in the "raffle auction" and if your number was drawn, you won. It was a pretty good idea at the time, but somebody somewhere in the upper management of TFCT screwed everything up. The values quickly dropped and a lot of shareholders lost a ton of money in what was thought to have been a great idea at the time. Had no idea it was illegal?
File a Report: Report Item
Report Category: Listing Practices
Reason for Report: Avoiding eBay Fees
Detailed Reason: Offering or requiring additional purchases ... The listing offers or requires buyers to make an additional purchase, pay an amount more than the final price and reasonable shipping fees, sign up for a service, or take any unrelated action as a condition for receiving the item.
<< <i>If this flies, there is no reason to list any BIN item on eBay, just sell a voucher to buy!
Cool idea, I hope it works. >>
Vouchers have been banned by feepay for years.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
PCGS Registries
Box of 20
SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
<< <i>Seems like a pretty clear case of avoiding eBay fees:
File a Report: Report Item
Report Category: Listing Practices
Reason for Report: Avoiding eBay Fees
Detailed Reason: Offering or requiring additional purchases ... The listing offers or requires buyers to make an additional purchase, pay an amount more than the final price and reasonable shipping fees, sign up for a service, or take any unrelated action as a condition for receiving the item. >>
We knew it had to violate some ebay policy because they are experts at making sure they get their cut.
As an aside, ebay has raised fees to the point where I think they are or will soon be losing revenue. 3 years ago, almost all of my sales were on ebay. now I have past buyers contacting me outside of ebay to buy without fees, I have new buyers contacting me on ebay asking for my contact info and then making offers outside of ebay, and I have people buying one item to get my contact info and then asking my best price off ebay. Well over 3/4 of my business now goes outside of ebay. They had a good thing, they got greedy, and they are losing (at least in the modern coin business). --jerry
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<< <i>Seems like a pretty clear case of avoiding eBay fees:
File a Report: Report Item
Report Category: Listing Practices
Reason for Report: Avoiding eBay Fees
Detailed Reason: Offering or requiring additional purchases ... The listing offers or requires buyers to make an additional purchase, pay an amount more than the final price and reasonable shipping fees, sign up for a service, or take any unrelated action as a condition for receiving the item. >>
We knew it had to violate some ebay policy because they are experts at making sure they get their cut.
As an aside, ebay has raised fees to the point where I think they are or will soon be losing revenue. 3 years ago, almost all of my sales were on ebay. now I have past buyers contacting me outside of ebay to buy without fees, I have new buyers contacting me on ebay asking for my contact info and then making offers outside of ebay, and I have people buying one item to get my contact info and then asking my best price off ebay. Well over 3/4 of my business now goes outside of ebay. They had a good thing, they got greedy, and they are losing (at least in the modern coin business). --jerry >>
I too have commenced a number of transactions outside of eBay from buyers contacting me. They've saved a ton and I too have also saved a ton. Sort of makes me wish all buyers on eBay would send me THAT "let's make due without ebay" message. This relates to computer parts/server side of eBay. Not to mention, high volume 5k+ transactions...and also not to mention, cashiers checks and money orders. No offers to send checks yet
<< <i>Sort of makes me wish all buyers on eBay would send me THAT "let's make due without ebay" message. >>
Ironic how that "let's make due without eBay" message can only be sent because of eBay. If you don't agree with their service fees, then don't use them. If you find value in the service they provide--and clearly you do because it is delivering you business--then they deserve their cut. Is their cut too high, you ask? Well, if they're the only reason you're getting these customers, then it sounds like you would have no sales without them.
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<< <i>Sort of makes me wish all buyers on eBay would send me THAT "let's make due without ebay" message. >>
Ironic how that "let's make due without eBay" message can only be sent because of eBay. If you don't agree with their service fees, then don't use them. If you find value in the service they provide--and clearly you do because it is delivering you business--then they deserve their cut. Is their cut too high, you ask? Well, if they're the only reason you're getting these customers, then it sounds like you would have no sales without them. >>
They get a cut, just with the customers who do not request a discount. Those who request a discount always ask to deal outside of eBay, but 9/10 they still use Paypal which is an eBay company. So either way, they're getting a cut (9/10).
Feebay is pricing themselves out of the market. Several months ago I sent an email to a seller about one of their auctions. The description had a glaring omission. To my surprise the seller offered to end the auction immediately & sell to me outside of feebay for hundreds less. I declined & a few days later the auction ended abruptly. The seller had indicated "The item is no longer available for sale". Looks like he found someone else to sell to. I suspect this is going to be a big problem for feebay.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."
~ Vince Lombardi
BUT... I understand that if I want to take advantage of the global marketplace they provide, I have to abide by those policies, pay those fees, and put up with that attitude.
And I think that those who want to cheat or game the system are no different than other ebay crooks like fraudsters and scammers.
Fee avoidance is stealing from the company- pure and simple-because you are using their service without (fully) compensating them for that service.
I never understood the mentality that holds that stealing is OK as long as the victim can afford the loss.
Someone cheats you out of a buck, it's a travesty. Cheat a big company out of a buck- that's different. They had it coming because they are a rotten evil corporation that has the audacity to *gasp* make money!
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>They get a cut, just with the customers who do not request a discount. Those who request a discount always ask to deal outside of eBay, but 9/10 they still use Paypal which is an eBay company. So either way, they're getting a cut (9/10). >>
That's complete bull and you know it. Here's a new scenario:
You go to a coin shop and consign them a coin for $500. The commission amount is agreed upon at $50 (you'll end up with $450) and you sign the paperwork saying the dealer has 1 week to sell the coin (or choose any length of time). Before you leave, another customer comes into the shop and expresses interest in the coin. You go to the dealer and tell him the deal's off, and even though you said he has a week, rescind the transaction. Then you tell the customer to meet you outside and you sell it to him for $475 so you make more, the buyer pays less, and the dealer gets nothing.
But wait! It happens that the dealer owns a payment processing system. Because it's convenient, your buyer uses it and the dealer makes 3%. Now everything is okay, because the dealer still received money.
BULL. You used the dealer's client base and marketing for your gain, and rather than compensating him for it as you agreed to do, you reneged on your end of the deal and circumvented him. Was 10% too much of a commission? Maybe, but you agreed to it and are bound to those conditions. If you didn't like them, don't say you'll follow them. But don't expect your coin to sell easily, either.
eBay couldn't be more clear with their rules prohibiting off-eBay sales. The fact that you are justifying your actions by saying you use PayPal is pathetic. I hate PayPal, I hate their fees, and I hate the way they tend to treat sellers, but I use them even off eBay because it's too convenient not to. Not that using PayPal justifies your unethical actions in the first place, but you know as well as everyone else that you're using PayPal because it's convenient, not because you want eBay to still get a cut of the transaction.
Yes, eBay is a multi-billion dollar corporation with policies and fees people don't like. If you can't get over that, don't use them. Stealing is no more or less acceptable when the victim is rich or poor. Stealing is stealing. Period.
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<< <i>They get a cut, just with the customers who do not request a discount. Those who request a discount always ask to deal outside of eBay, but 9/10 they still use Paypal which is an eBay company. So either way, they're getting a cut (9/10). >>
That's complete bull and you know it. Here's a new scenario:
You go to a coin shop and consign them a coin for $500. The commission amount is agreed upon at $50 (you'll end up with $450) and you sign the paperwork saying the dealer has 1 week to sell the coin (or choose any length of time). Before you leave, another customer comes into the shop and expresses interest in the coin. You go to the dealer and tell him the deal's off, and even though you said he has a week, rescind the transaction. Then you tell the customer to meet you outside and you sell it to him for $475 so you make more, the buyer pays less, and the dealer gets nothing.
But wait! It happens that the dealer owns a payment processing system. Because it's convenient, your buyer uses it and the dealer makes 3%. Now everything is okay, because the dealer still received money.
BULL. You used the dealer's client base and marketing for your gain, and rather than compensating him for it as you agreed to do, you reneged on your end of the deal and circumvented him. Was 10% too much of a commission? Maybe, but you agreed to it and are bound to those conditions. If you didn't like them, don't say you'll follow them. But don't expect your coin to sell easily, either.
eBay couldn't be more clear with their rules prohibiting off-eBay sales. The fact that you are justifying your actions by saying you use PayPal is pathetic. I hate PayPal, I hate their fees, and I hate the way they tend to treat sellers, but I use them even off eBay because it's too convenient not to. Not that using PayPal justifies your unethical actions in the first place, but you know as well as everyone else that you're using PayPal because it's convenient, not because you want eBay to still get a cut of the transaction.
Yes, eBay is a multi-billion dollar corporation with policies and fees people don't like. If you can't get over that, don't use them. Stealing is no more or less acceptable when the victim is rich or poor. Stealing is stealing. Period. >>
Jeremy just said much more effectively, what I was attempting to communicate in my previous post.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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<< <i>They get a cut, just with the customers who do not request a discount. Those who request a discount always ask to deal outside of eBay, but 9/10 they still use Paypal which is an eBay company. So either way, they're getting a cut (9/10). >>
That's complete bull and you know it. Here's a new scenario:
You go to a coin shop and consign them a coin for $500. The commission amount is agreed upon at $50 (you'll end up with $450) and you sign the paperwork saying the dealer has 1 week to sell the coin (or choose any length of time). Before you leave, another customer comes into the shop and expresses interest in the coin. You go to the dealer and tell him the deal's off, and even though you said he has a week, rescind the transaction. Then you tell the customer to meet you outside and you sell it to him for $475 so you make more, the buyer pays less, and the dealer gets nothing.
But wait! It happens that the dealer owns a payment processing system. Because it's convenient, your buyer uses it and the dealer makes 3%. Now everything is okay, because the dealer still received money.
BULL. You used the dealer's client base and marketing for your gain, and rather than compensating him for it as you agreed to do, you reneged on your end of the deal and circumvented him. Was 10% too much of a commission? Maybe, but you agreed to it and are bound to those conditions. If you didn't like them, don't say you'll follow them. But don't expect your coin to sell easily, either.
eBay couldn't be more clear with their rules prohibiting off-eBay sales. The fact that you are justifying your actions by saying you use PayPal is pathetic. I hate PayPal, I hate their fees, and I hate the way they tend to treat sellers, but I use them even off eBay because it's too convenient not to. Not that using PayPal justifies your unethical actions in the first place, but you know as well as everyone else that you're using PayPal because it's convenient, not because you want eBay to still get a cut of the transaction.
Yes, eBay is a multi-billion dollar corporation with policies and fees people don't like. If you can't get over that, don't use them. Stealing is no more or less acceptable when the victim is rich or poor. Stealing is stealing. Period. >>
I hope you send them a royalties check for any business you acquire through your marketing with your auctions/sales on eBay. Assuming people contact you off of eBay, but I'm sure, your holier than thou role in this thread surely will keep you from admitting any off-ebay profit (that was caused by the fact that you advertised on eBay your photography services).
I bow to your eliteness, Sir.
<< <i>I hope you send them a royalties check for any business you acquire through your marketing with your auctions/sales on eBay. >>
Funny, I didn't see royalties in the eBay Customer Agreement.
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<< <i>I hope you send them a royalties check for any business you acquire through your marketing with your auctions/sales on eBay. >>
Funny, I didn't see royalties in the eBay Customer Agreement. >>
I guess as long as you're not selling a material product, eBay doesn't deserve a cut. Yet, they do offer a services category. And I doubt any ebay contacts, Jeremy and others are quick to create an auction to say "consignment services for suchandsuchebayuser" or "photography services for suchandsuchebayuser"
Point is, no product market can be defended and excused in his argument. So whether or not an ebay customer contacts me to make a volume purchase or an ebay customer contacts Jeremy to photograph a coin or consignment through the eBay system, in his words, it's all stealing and eBay deserves their fair share.
So I ask all of you who receive business through eBay for outside of clicking an ebay buy it now or bidding in an auction, how do you go about paying ebay? Go ahead and slap me around all you want for my honesty. Lets see if you can be honest about how you profit from eBay OUTSIDE of paying them...uh huh!
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I hope you send them a royalties check for any business you acquire through your marketing with your auctions/sales on eBay. Assuming people contact you off of eBay, but I'm sure, your holier than thou role in this thread surely will keep you from admitting any off-ebay profit (that was caused by the fact that you advertised on eBay your photography services).
I bow to your eliteness, Sir. >>
I have a small advertisement in my listings for selling on consignment. Want to know where those consignments go? eBay.
And for off-eBay sales? I get enough requests that I got sick of typing out replies, so I have a pre-written email set up so I can reply with one click. Here it is:
"Hi,
It is my policy to not end auctions early.
Thanks,
Jeremy Katz"
And you can believe I'm being fully truthful in that I don't sell off eBay, period. I will admit that I hadn't seen the link policy to outside sites, and since that part of my template has been unchanged for years, I believe the policy was changed since I wrote that section. In any event, I'll call eBay today to confirm what I can/can't have there, and if changes need to be made, they will be rolled into the next listings that I put up. Most likely, I'll change the link to a Trading Assistant webpage, which can then have a link to my main site. Hopefully I can keep the charity link.
<< <i>Point is, no product market can be defended and excused in his argument. So whether or not an ebay customer contacts me to make a volume purchase or an ebay customer contacts Jeremy to photograph a coin or consignment through the eBay system, in his words, it's all stealing and eBay deserves their fair share. >>
You're extrapolating a bit here. Yes, there's a certain point where the line may be hazy as to what constitutes a sale off eBay. However, looking at their Fee Avoidance page I don't notice anything about services being offered, as every reference is to the sale of a specific item. The only service I mention is consignments which go back to eBay. As I mentioned before, if my link is bad, then I'll fix that, though it won't change the fact that same information will be presented, and eBay will profit the same.
You, however, are admitting to direct sales through inquiries. Here's eBay's policy on that, which is crystal clear:
"We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay. Also, members can't use information obtained from eBay to contact each other about buying or selling outside of eBay.
Some examples of activities that aren't allowed include:
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Using member contact information obtained from eBay or using any eBay system to offer to sell any listed item outside of eBay
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Canceling a listing to sell to a buyer who found the item on eBay
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Ending a listing early to sell the item to the winning bidder a price higher than the current bid
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Offering to sell an item to a non-winning bidder without using Second Chance Offer"
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<< <i>I hope you send them a royalties check for any business you acquire through your marketing with your auctions/sales on eBay. >>
Funny, I didn't see royalties in the eBay Customer Agreement. >>
I guess as long as you're not selling a material product, eBay doesn't deserve a cut. Yet, they do offer a services category. And I doubt any ebay contacts, Jeremy and others are quick to create an auction to say "consignment services for suchandsuchebayuser" or "photography services for suchandsuchebayuser"
Point is, no product market can be defended and excused in his argument. So whether or not an ebay customer contacts me to make a volume purchase or an ebay customer contacts Jeremy to photograph a coin or consignment through the eBay system, in his words, it's all stealing and eBay deserves their fair share.
So I ask all of you who receive business through eBay for outside of clicking an ebay buy it now or bidding in an auction, how do you go about paying ebay? Go ahead and slap me around all you want for my honesty. Lets see if you can be honest about how you profit from eBay OUTSIDE of paying them...uh huh! >>
I'm not slapping you around for your honesty, I'm slapping you around for deflecting and choosing a poor example in so doing.
Public service announcement. Calling out airplanenut and even linking policy violations and noting that he's guilty of not paying ebay for his circumventing of fees when he directs business to his site for coin photography and even consignment. Oh my!!! CALL A SPADE...A SPADE! I feel better. Anybody else need me to investigate their practices? Cause you know, I admitted mine. I understand that I may not be perfect, but you willfully and disrespectfully wished to tarnish my reputation here by calling me a THIEF. And while most forum members likely won't care either way, I believe it affects my buying and selling on the BST forum. Hell, I even deleted my BST dealings because I found it in poor taste for the folks I have dealt with to be associated with me now. So hey, Jeremy, thanks for the ruckus. Now time for me to put down my "can't we all just get along" card and out of spite for you calling me a thief...make my message about your policy and circumventing of fees public. This is all I have to say. Again, my last post will be to announce the winner of the contest I have running and then after that, I shall remain a lurker. Thanks everyone.
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I just wanted to call you out. You are more of a thief than I. You are in denial. I understand. But those who like to accuse people of their negative aspects tend to foster similar aspects, but to a much greater degree.
I'd almost find it adequate to put history in writing right here. Not false history, but real factual history. But I'm really not going to because I know this world is judgmental, hateful, and spiteful of everybody but themselves. And sadly, I can't do anything to cure this.
But...I can open your eyes to the fact that you are no different than I am, yet you hide under this self-promoted holier than thou attitude.
First, here's the category your services should be advertised under:
photography services category on eBay
Secondly, here's the policy that I am calling into question.
The policy you are violating
So, after reviewing that policy, make an admittance that you are guilty of being a thief. You, however, are more vile in your attempts of being a thief. You go the extra route of advertising it in your auctions. You know how bad we can vilify somebody just based on the way we write something out on a forum? You did a great job, and I hope you are happy. I'm happy to conclude this message and I would NEVER EVER EVER do business with you because of how you called me a THIEF when you too are in violation and committing a greater scheme to your thieving and circumventing of eBay fees.
That is all, Jeremy. Open your eyes to yourself before you begin denouncing others. You are no greater than what you have accused me of doing. Period!
Respectfully,
Aaron J. Gelner
<< <i>O.M.G. to the G.M.O. if you are what you eat than I'mma UFO...DRAMA!
Public service announcement. Calling out airplanenut and even linking policy violations and noting that he's guilty of not paying ebay for his circumventing of fees when he directs business to his site for coin photography and even consignment. Oh my!!! CALL A SPADE...A SPADE! I feel better. Anybody else need me to investigate their practices? Cause you know, I admitted mine. I understand that I may not be perfect, but you willfully and disrespectfully wished to tarnish my reputation here by calling me a THIEF. And while most forum members likely won't care either way, I believe it affects my buying and selling on the BST forum. Hell, I even deleted my BST dealings because I found it in poor taste for the folks I have dealt with to be associated with me now. So hey, Jeremy, thanks for the ruckus. Now time for me to put down my "can't we all just get along" card and out of spite for you calling me a thief...make my message about your policy and circumventing of fees public. This is all I have to say. Again, my last post will be to announce the winner of the contest I have running and then after that, I shall remain a lurker. Thanks everyone.
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I just wanted to call you out. You are more of a thief than I. You are in denial. I understand. But those who like to accuse people of their negative aspects tend to foster similar aspects, but to a much greater degree.
I'd almost find it adequate to put history in writing right here. Not false history, but real factual history. But I'm really not going to because I know this world is judgmental, hateful, and spiteful of everybody but themselves. And sadly, I can't do anything to cure this.
But...I can open your eyes to the fact that you are no different than I am, yet you hide under this self-promoted holier than thou attitude.
First, here's the category your services should be advertised under:
photography services category on eBay
Secondly, here's the policy that I am calling into question.
The policy you are violating
So, after reviewing that policy, make an admittance that you are guilty of being a thief. You, however, are more vile in your attempts of being a thief. You go the extra route of advertising it in your auctions. You know how bad we can vilify somebody just based on the way we write something out on a forum? You did a great job, and I hope you are happy. I'm happy to conclude this message and I would NEVER EVER EVER do business with you because of how you called me a THIEF when you too are in violation and committing a greater scheme to your thieving and circumventing of eBay fees.
That is all, Jeremy. Open your eyes to yourself before you begin denouncing others. You are no greater than what you have accused me of doing. Period!
Respectfully,
Aaron J. Gelner >>
I called eBay yesterday. The policy is new and not in effect until October. I specifically asked them to review my listings so I could change them if needed before the new links policy goes into effect. They looked into it and responded to me by email:
<< <i>Dear Jeremy,
Thank you so much for contacting eBay Customer Support today regarding the links in your listings. I appreciate you giving me a little extra time to research this concern for you.
I did escalate this concern to an expert in this area to see what changes they would recommend. Since your website does refer to sales and has your email address and contact information in it, I was told to recommend you remove the link from your listings. The concern is not that you are trying to conduct business off of eBay, but as a precaution to make sure no one takes it that way, we are recommending you remove the link as well as your email address.
I hope this answers your question. Please feel free to reply to this emal if you need further confirmation on anything. We are always happy to help. Thank you for your time today. It was my pleasure to speak it you!
Sincerely,
Melinda B.
eBay Customer Support
>>
So there you have it. They aren't positive I'm violating anything in the first place, and in the event I am, the policy isn't even in effect yet. I'll remove the link as per their suggestion to remove all doubt. Thief? I don't think so.
Jeremy
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<< <i>O.M.G. to the G.M.O. if you are what you eat than I'mma UFO...DRAMA!
Public service announcement. Calling out airplanenut and even linking policy violations and noting that he's guilty of not paying ebay for his circumventing of fees when he directs business to his site for coin photography and even consignment. Oh my!!! CALL A SPADE...A SPADE! I feel better. Anybody else need me to investigate their practices? Cause you know, I admitted mine. I understand that I may not be perfect, but you willfully and disrespectfully wished to tarnish my reputation here by calling me a THIEF. And while most forum members likely won't care either way, I believe it affects my buying and selling on the BST forum. Hell, I even deleted my BST dealings because I found it in poor taste for the folks I have dealt with to be associated with me now. So hey, Jeremy, thanks for the ruckus. Now time for me to put down my "can't we all just get along" card and out of spite for you calling me a thief...make my message about your policy and circumventing of fees public. This is all I have to say. Again, my last post will be to announce the winner of the contest I have running and then after that, I shall remain a lurker. Thanks everyone.
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I just wanted to call you out. You are more of a thief than I. You are in denial. I understand. But those who like to accuse people of their negative aspects tend to foster similar aspects, but to a much greater degree.
I'd almost find it adequate to put history in writing right here. Not false history, but real factual history. But I'm really not going to because I know this world is judgmental, hateful, and spiteful of everybody but themselves. And sadly, I can't do anything to cure this.
But...I can open your eyes to the fact that you are no different than I am, yet you hide under this self-promoted holier than thou attitude.
First, here's the category your services should be advertised under:
photography services category on eBay
Secondly, here's the policy that I am calling into question.
The policy you are violating
So, after reviewing that policy, make an admittance that you are guilty of being a thief. You, however, are more vile in your attempts of being a thief. You go the extra route of advertising it in your auctions. You know how bad we can vilify somebody just based on the way we write something out on a forum? You did a great job, and I hope you are happy. I'm happy to conclude this message and I would NEVER EVER EVER do business with you because of how you called me a THIEF when you too are in violation and committing a greater scheme to your thieving and circumventing of eBay fees.
That is all, Jeremy. Open your eyes to yourself before you begin denouncing others. You are no greater than what you have accused me of doing. Period!
Respectfully,
Aaron J. Gelner >>
I called eBay yesterday. The policy is new and not in effect until October. I specifically asked them to review my listings so I could change them if needed before the new links policy goes into effect. They looked into it and responded to me by email:
<< <i>Dear Jeremy,
Thank you so much for contacting eBay Customer Support today regarding the links in your listings. I appreciate you giving me a little extra time to research this concern for you.
I did escalate this concern to an expert in this area to see what changes they would recommend. Since your website does refer to sales and has your email address and contact information in it, I was told to recommend you remove the link from your listings. The concern is not that you are trying to conduct business off of eBay, but as a precaution to make sure no one takes it that way, we are recommending you remove the link as well as your email address.
I hope this answers your question. Please feel free to reply to this emal if you need further confirmation on anything. We are always happy to help. Thank you for your time today. It was my pleasure to speak it you!
Sincerely,
Melinda B.
eBay Customer Support
>>
So there you have it. They aren't positive I'm violating anything in the first place, and in the event I am, the policy isn't even in effect yet. I'll remove the link as per their suggestion to remove all doubt. Thief? I don't think so.
Jeremy >>
Always an excuse. I bow to your elateness, Jeremy. Thief! Accept the title. The only difference is, I never told anybody to do business with me outside of eBay, thief!
Oh, one more funny thing. You linked this above and accused me of violating it. Making me a thief. So here you go, thief!
listing circumventing
And click "links that refer or promote"
"You can’t refer to or promote your personal website (including links to home page web addresses that promote outside-of-eBay websites), sales outside of eBay, or other businesses."
Thief! Period!
I am no more a thief than you are, Thief!
Or did I miss something?
<< <i>I too have commenced a number of transactions outside of eBay from buyers contacting me. They've saved a ton and I too have also saved a ton. Sort of makes me wish all buyers on eBay would send me THAT "let's make due without ebay" message. >>
This has been outlawed on eBay for years and is cut and dried. Tell this to eBay and see how they respond.
So here's the difference. When a problem was pointed out to me, the first thing I did was go and check, and I went right to the source and I'm on record. Now that I have an answer, I'm going to act on it. This is being honest. You, on the other hand, proudly laud how you've gotten around long-standing policies where there is no question the action done is wrong. This is not being honest. I have great faith in the members of this board to understand the difference should they choose to judge anyone.
<< <i>That's complete bull and you know it. Here's a new scenario:
You go to a coin shop and consign them a coin for $500. The commission amount is agreed upon at $50 (you'll end up with $450) and you sign the paperwork saying the dealer has 1 week to sell the coin (or choose any length of time). Before you leave, another customer comes into the shop and expresses interest in the coin. You go to the dealer and tell him the deal's off, and even though you said he has a week, rescind the transaction. Then you tell the customer to meet you outside and you sell it to him for $475 so you make more, the buyer pays less, and the dealer gets nothing.
But wait! It happens that the dealer owns a payment processing system. Because it's convenient, your buyer uses it and the dealer makes 3%. Now everything is okay, because the dealer still received money.
BULL. You used the dealer's client base and marketing for your gain, and rather than compensating him for it as you agreed to do, you reneged on your end of the deal and circumvented him. Was 10% too much of a commission? Maybe, but you agreed to it and are bound to those conditions. If you didn't like them, don't say you'll follow them. But don't expect your coin to sell easily, either.
eBay couldn't be more clear with their rules prohibiting off-eBay sales. The fact that you are justifying your actions by saying you use PayPal is pathetic. I hate PayPal, I hate their fees, and I hate the way they tend to treat sellers, but I use them even off eBay because it's too convenient not to. Not that using PayPal justifies your unethical actions in the first place, but you know as well as everyone else that you're using PayPal because it's convenient, not because you want eBay to still get a cut of the transaction.
Yes, eBay is a multi-billion dollar corporation with policies and fees people don't like. If you can't get over that, don't use them. Stealing is no more or less acceptable when the victim is rich or poor. Stealing is stealing. Period. >>
Okay, so we used email instead of a website. What's the difference, come on Jeremy, tell me. You used your website to conduct outside-of-ebay transactions and advertised it as such in your ebay listings, you use the excuse that "oh, it's a new policy" yet you're still conducting a transaction outside of ebay that ebay gave you the lead to. Dude, you are so full of yourself, your ego, and everything else. You are diluted. Anything to excuse your behavior while putting emphasis on mine. Whatever man. You are a rock.
My concern isn't here anymore. I know you have more clout than I do. I've done numerous successful honest transactions with members here. But your ego is obviously important to you so you can continue to deny the fact that ebay gives you leads to your business that people can conduct business outside of ebay via your website thus you avoiding paying ebay any fees for your services which they just so happen to have a category for.
You are full of yourself. And a spade still a spade.
"A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."
+1 ... poof
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+1 ... poof >>
I agree with you!
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I agree with Devious ; anytime you sell a coin that's to a person you made contact with via eBay ; you should send eBay a cut of the transaction .
If you do not , you will be looked upon as a thief .
I'm getting my check book out right now as I don't want nobody calling me a thief and getting themselves booted because of a rule violation !
airplanenut's MY ebay
Man, look at all of those rules being broken. Coin sales links from within eBay that redirects you to his store website. Wow! That's even more low than I admitted to. You Sir are guilty, guilty, guilty! And as far as I know, you've been circumventing the ebay policy of going to outside links to make purchases via eBay leads for likely a very long time (which has been in effect for quite some time...for a lot longer than I could admit to my circumventing of fees through buyers contacting me through eBay. (I've only been in the computer parts business for three months. I KNOW you've been doing it FAR LONGER than I))
Yup, this devious character may have it in for you, but you want to call me a thief while failing to admit your circumventing of fees to an ever greater degree. Oh poor innocent Jeremy. Yeah, I have too much time on my hands. Whether or not this goes poof, it really should stay to show that by calling people names on a forum, you'd better be ready to have all of the dirt dug up on you. Character assassination is a bad thing especially when you're committing to a greater degree the "theft" that you accused one of doing.
And why I am NOT surprised that YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE?
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<< <i>Sigh. This is getting beyond childish, dont'cha think? >>
When one throws the first punch, they should expect to receive a reaction.
<< <i>Let me spell it out for you one more time. >>
Jeremy, why are you wasting your time with that troll?
And of course, all those people gave me permission to do so..................what you say?
Leo
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<< <i>Sigh. This is getting beyond childish, dont'cha think? >>
When one throws the first punch, they should expect to receive a reaction. >>
Translation... "Mom! He started it!"
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
<< <i>I have a question.
And of course, all those people gave me permission to do so..................what you say?
Leo >>
Ebay says no, but they are stretching their hold over you to protect their share of the market. I have every email address of every paypal account that has paid me over the years. My feeling is I bought that info when I paid the fees. I use that list to send out periodic market info and available coins to my customers. I consider it a service to them. Those that chosse to buy directly from me do so because of my hard effort to build their trust. Feel guilty? never. According to some here that makes me a "thief." According to me I paid for the mailing list with fees and earned their direct business on my own merit. Besides, the email addresses were provided by paypal, not ebay.
"A car is a tool that takes you from one place to another. Everything beyond that is a payment for other people's perception of you."