For the un-Ike-savvy, is there a precedent for this error? How many are out there? What do they command in the market?
Before even knowing the answers to these questions, I think your coin is very, very cool - the only coins I can think to compare it to would be 22-no-D cent, or 43 copper cent, where an error resulted in an otherwise official-looking issue, but where no such issue existed. Kinda makes one wonder how many other such errors might be out there that are impossible to detect. >>
This is the only precedent I know of. (Oops. Correction nelow!) That coin was also reported in the 9/29/2008 Coin World on Page 4.
I have no idea how many are out there but I'm hoping it's only two!
So far, none have been sold so a price cannot be stated but the David Camire (of NGC) reported in the 9/29/2008 Coin World article a value of 5 figures for the MS67 piece. The owner stated, in the article, that he had already received several offersfor the coin. The amount of the offers was not stated.
As for your comparisons, SPOT ON! I'd never really thought about that! Thanks!
From my past history with this series I can again state that it's still WIDE open due to the fact that few folks actually took it seriously. The net result being, that many as yet undiscovered varieties probably still exist out there! (Remember, the 1971-D RDV-006 went unnoticed for 28 years before someone actually looked and saw that it had a different reverse!)
I should probably shut up if I ever want to find another one of these. Right?
As an Addendum, wrong metal planchets do exist in the Eisenhower Series. There are Denver coins minted on 40% Silver Planchets for 1974-D (possibly 13 to 30 specimens) , 1976-D (extremely rare-my guess of < 5 ), and 1977-D (possibly 10-20 specimens). In Alan Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Eisenhower Dollars, he report's of second hand knowledge to the existance of at least 3 1972-D Ike's struck on 40% Silver Planchets. The only name associated with one of these is Nataly Halpern. The other two are unsubstantiated.
As for precedence, other than the other coin, all other off metal planchets have been of the 40% Silver Planchet Variety, not the Copper-Nickel Planchet Variety.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<<As an Addendum, wrong metal planchets do exist in the Eisenhower Series. There are Denver coins minted on 40% Silver Planchets for 1974-D (possibly 13 to 30 specimens) , 1976-D (extremely rare-my guess of < 5 ), and 1977-D (possibly 10-20 specimens). In Alan Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Eisenhower Dollars, he report's of second hand knowledge to the existance of at least 3 1972-D Ike's struck on 40% Silver Planchets. The only name associated with one of these is Nataly Halpern. The other two are unsubstantiated.>>
If the late Natalie Halpern said she had a 1972 D silver, I think she did. It is too late to ask for details now.
<< <i><<As an Addendum, wrong metal planchets do exist in the Eisenhower Series. There are Denver coins minted on 40% Silver Planchets for 1974-D (possibly 13 to 30 specimens) , 1976-D (extremely rare-my guess of < 5 ), and 1977-D (possibly 10-20 specimens). In Alan Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Eisenhower Dollars, he report's of second hand knowledge to the existance of at least 3 1972-D Ike's struck on 40% Silver Planchets. The only name associated with one of these is Nataly Halpern. The other two are unsubstantiated.>>
If the late Natalie Halpern said she had a 1972 D silver, I think she did. It is too late to ask for details now. >>
I knew Natalie well, and she never mentioned a 1972-D 40% silver dollar to me.
Such an error is extremely unlikely. I saw the first two discovery specimens of the 1974-D 40% dollar while I was at Collectors Clearinghouse. We did some digging, and found out that after the SFAO started striking copper-nickel Proof Ikes **IN 1973** for the regular Proof sets, the SFAO began storing its reject copper-nickel Proof dollar planchets in barrels, since they had no other use for them in Frisco.
When they finally had enough barrels of cu-ni dollar planchets to fill up a truck, they shipped the barrels to Denver to be struck as regular issue coins. This wasn't until 1974. A few 40% silver planchets were in the barrels, and they got struck as D-mint coins.
FWIW, the two discovery coins both came from dealers in Vegas, where the coins were still heavily used. I had just opened up a package from one of them and was looking at the coin when the phone rang. It was the other guy calling to report an exciting discovery. When he told me what it was, I said "Another one?" and he said "WHAT???" He had missed having the "discovery report coin" by ten minutes.
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>From my past history with this series I can again state that it's still WIDE open due to the fact that few folks actually took it seriously. The net result being, that many as yet undiscovered varieties probably still exist out there! (Remember, the 1971-D RDV-006 went unnoticed for 28 years before someone actually looked and saw that it had a different reverse!) >>
Great pickup! Congrads!
You are right about not knowing what is out there for varieties waiting to be found.
Fantastic !! Congrats...........just yesterday I got change from the PO.........when I got home I usually throw it in a metal can for savings., but I always look before I throw. Got an AU Georgia 20% off-center . Whadya know ? But certainly my find does not even compare with yours.
Hey Lee congrats on your hard work and the article in Coin World is now online and I must say great story its nice to see you get a reward for the time and effort you have put in these. Congrats on the article....Enjoy
<< <i>Since that 2008 CW article, I concentrating heavily on buying Sealed Shipping Envelope 5 packs of Blue 1973 IKE's looking for one of these. I spent a lot of money and spent a lot of time looking for one.
Little did I know that all I had to do was go down to my local bank and ASK! >>
Your find and [L=2011 CW article] is too cool. It's great to see inspiration like yours pay off
Congratulations, Lee! Thanks for continuing to share your discoveries and experience with the forum. You really help to build and sustain interest in the area of Ike collecting! --John
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<< <i>Awesome story - congrats!!
For the un-Ike-savvy, is there a precedent for this error? How many are out there? What do they command in the market?
Before even knowing the answers to these questions, I think your coin is very, very cool - the only coins I can think to compare it to would be 22-no-D cent, or 43 copper cent, where an error resulted in an otherwise official-looking issue, but where no such issue existed. Kinda makes one wonder how many other such errors might be out there that are impossible to detect. >>
This is the only precedent I know of. (Oops. Correction nelow!) That coin was also reported in the 9/29/2008 Coin World on Page 4.
I have no idea how many are out there but I'm hoping it's only two!
So far, none have been sold so a price cannot be stated but the David Camire (of NGC) reported in the 9/29/2008 Coin World article a value of 5 figures for the MS67 piece. The owner stated, in the article, that he had already received several offersfor the coin. The amount of the offers was not stated.
As for your comparisons, SPOT ON! I'd never really thought about that! Thanks!
From my past history with this series I can again state that it's still WIDE open due to the fact that few folks actually took it seriously. The net result being, that many as yet undiscovered varieties probably still exist out there! (Remember, the 1971-D RDV-006 went unnoticed for 28 years before someone actually looked and saw that it had a different reverse!)
I should probably shut up if I ever want to find another one of these. Right?
As an Addendum, wrong metal planchets do exist in the Eisenhower Series. There are Denver coins minted on 40% Silver Planchets for 1974-D (possibly 13 to 30 specimens) , 1976-D (extremely rare-my guess of < 5 ), and 1977-D (possibly 10-20 specimens). In Alan Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Eisenhower Dollars, he report's of second hand knowledge to the existance of at least 3 1972-D Ike's struck on 40% Silver Planchets. The only name associated with one of these is Nataly Halpern. The other two are unsubstantiated.
As for precedence, other than the other coin, all other off metal planchets have been of the 40% Silver Planchet Variety, not the Copper-Nickel Planchet Variety.
The name is LEE!
If the late Natalie Halpern said she had a 1972 D silver, I think she did. It is too late to ask for details now.
<< <i><<As an Addendum, wrong metal planchets do exist in the Eisenhower Series. There are Denver coins minted on 40% Silver Planchets for 1974-D (possibly 13 to 30 specimens) , 1976-D (extremely rare-my guess of < 5 ), and 1977-D (possibly 10-20 specimens). In Alan Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Eisenhower Dollars, he report's of second hand knowledge to the existance of at least 3 1972-D Ike's struck on 40% Silver Planchets. The only name associated with one of these is Nataly Halpern. The other two are unsubstantiated.>>
If the late Natalie Halpern said she had a 1972 D silver, I think she did. It is too late to ask for details now. >>
I knew Natalie well, and she never mentioned a 1972-D 40% silver dollar to me.
Such an error is extremely unlikely. I saw the first two discovery specimens of the 1974-D 40% dollar while I was at Collectors Clearinghouse. We did some digging, and found out that after the SFAO started striking copper-nickel Proof Ikes **IN 1973** for the regular Proof sets, the SFAO began storing its reject copper-nickel Proof dollar planchets in barrels, since they had no other use for them in Frisco.
When they finally had enough barrels of cu-ni dollar planchets to fill up a truck, they shipped the barrels to Denver to be struck as regular issue coins. This wasn't until 1974. A few 40% silver planchets were in the barrels, and they got struck as D-mint coins.
FWIW, the two discovery coins both came from dealers in Vegas, where the coins were still heavily used. I had just opened up a package from one of them and was looking at the coin when the phone rang. It was the other guy calling to report an exciting discovery. When he told me what it was, I said "Another one?" and he said "WHAT???" He had missed having the "discovery report coin" by ten minutes.
TD
Ed. S.
(EJS)
<< <i>From my past history with this series I can again state that it's still WIDE open due to the fact that few folks actually took it seriously. The net result being, that many as yet undiscovered varieties probably still exist out there! (Remember, the 1971-D RDV-006 went unnoticed for 28 years before someone actually looked and saw that it had a different reverse!) >>
Great pickup! Congrads!
You are right about not knowing what is out there for varieties waiting to be found.
Awesome! Send it my way for safe keeping
I'll double your money, ok maybe triple it and pay your grading fees!
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
<< <i>Lee,
Awesome! Send it my way for safe keeping
I'll double your money, ok maybe triple it and pay your grading fees! >>
I'm gonna hold you to this James!
The name is LEE!
The name is LEE!
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
<< <i>Since that 2008 CW article, I concentrating heavily on buying Sealed Shipping Envelope 5 packs of Blue 1973 IKE's looking for one of these. I spent a lot of money and spent a lot of time looking for one.
Little did I know that all I had to do was go down to my local bank and ASK!
Your find and [L=2011 CW article] is too cool. It's great to see inspiration like yours pay off
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
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Only thing I can think of right now besides a few random silver dimes would be an 1988 Lincoln Cent FG Transitional Reverse
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